As the pendulum swings

[transporter]

Populist economic frustration threatens Trump’s strongest reelection issue, Post-ABC poll finds

Of four issues that were at the core of Trump’s first presidential campaign — the economy, illegal immigration, health care and trade — only the economy appears to be a clear asset for the president.

All the ignorati types proclaim Trump to be doing so much winning. Yet illegal immigration is far worse today than when he entered office. Nothing has been accomplished on health care. Nothing of significance has occurred on trade. NAFTA 2.0 was, as everyone expected, a very, very basic update that hasn't been ratified by any of the three countries involved. In fact the trade deficit is also worse since Trump took office.

The economy was juiced by a tax cut program that only benefited the wealthiest and corporations...at a cost of roughly $2T of additional debt. Which means the trajectory of the deficit and debt are worse since Trump took office.

The survey finds that 42 percent of registered voters say Trump’s handling of the economy makes them more likely to vote for him in 2020, while 32 percent say it makes them less likely to support him. Independents similarly give Trump a positive grade on his management of the economy by a 10-point margin.

That paragraph also is very telling. IF the economy was doing so great for middle America, a whole hell of a lot more people would support Trump on the economy than 42%. That is a terrible score IF things were as good as Trump and his cult claim.

So where does this have the potential to leave us? Right where I've been saying since Trump's election:

The message of economic populism is carried most prominently in the Democratic presidential field by Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.), who since his unsuccessful 2016 campaign has pushed the party leftward on a range of issues, and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (Mass.), who has proposed ideas such as a massive student loan forgiveness program and free tuition at public colleges paid for by taxing the rich.

Sanders and Warren are two of the worst options....which is the unfortunate reaction to the Republicans nominating and electing the worst option in 2016.

 

[BOP]

I'm sexually frustrated.

You need to find a new dating pool, dear.

 

[This_person]

All the ignorati types proclaim Trump to be doing so much winning. Yet illegal immigration is far worse today than when he entered office. Nothing has been accomplished on health care. Nothing of significance has occurred on trade. NAFTA 2.0 was, as everyone expected, a very, very basic update that hasn't been ratified by any of the three countries involved. In fact the trade deficit is also worse since Trump took office.

In a rare twist of fate, we can agree on some things here. Illegal immigration is far worse today: however, Trump is doing something about it, much to the dismay of establishment politicians from both sides of the aisle. Nothing has been accomplished on health care, except that Obamacare is essentially gutted from the point of view of no longer having government support, no mandate, etc. It will take a House that concurs to change that back to freedom, where it was prior to Mr. Obama (well, closer anyway). We saw that when the House repealed Obamacare, but the Senate could not thanks to the Democrats and Mr. McCain (but, alas, I repeat myself).

The economy was juiced by a tax cut program that only benefited the wealthiest and corporations...at a cost of roughly $2T of additional debt. Which means the trajectory of the deficit and debt are worse since Trump took office.

Again, we can agree that the deficit is worse, and that is a tragic result of Trump signing spending bills presented to him. Of course, it is factually inaccurate to say that tax cuts only benefited "the wealthiest and corporations"; in fact, that's a blatant lie and you know it.

That paragraph also is very telling. IF the economy was doing so great for middle America, a whole hell of a lot more people would support Trump on the economy than 42%. That is a terrible score IF things were as good as Trump and his cult claim.

Strawman extraordinaire, don't you think?

The economy is, by all measures, doing far better than before he took office. Some of it is based on the trajectory set prior to him taking office, much of it changed starting when he was elected.

People don't support his signing the extreme spending bills, as you noted above. Vrai, one of his strongest supporters on this board, said that she would not vote for him again if he did that again.

You set up an argument that no one is making and brought it down for all the wrong reasons.

So where does this have the potential to leave us? Right where I've been saying since Trump's election:

Sanders and Warren are two of the worst options....which is the unfortunate reaction to the Republicans nominating and electing the worst option in 2016.

You're going to have to speak to Democrats about Sanders and Warren, to explain why they have even a single American following them. I absolutely hope Sander or Warren are the Dem nominee - the only one better would be Biden (that's not true, they are ALL pretty darned bad, and would not make much of a challenge to Pres. Trump).

As for it being a "reaction", most every politician is a "reaction" to other politicians. Trump certainly never would have won without Obama, Obama never would have won without Bush. Libertarians don't win because they're idiots, pushing drug legalization over all other things. If they ever put up a serious candidate, the two major parties would be in REAL trouble, which is why I suspect they never put up a serious candidate.

 

[Cowdog]

"The economy was juiced by a tax cut program that only benefited the wealthiest and corporations...at a cost of roughly $2T of additional debt. Which means the trajectory of the deficit and debt are worse since Trump took office."

Now, now...where was the talk of the deficit when Obama doubled the debt after the tax increase. That is after he stated that the amount that was accumulated under the previous administration was "Unpatriotic". You can check the facts, they are certainly there, but T might says they are "guidelines" kind of like the "pirate code".

I call this a ballyhoo about nada. You see when one part is incorrect, it all is, so any discussion of this should be moot.

What is all this polling about? All I have seen is that these folks want this or that or the other with polls?

The polls also said that Hillary would win in a landslide....Is there more to be said?