Assault With A Weapon - Mechanicsville

[G1G4]

Reported a male subject assaulted someone and displayed a gun at St. Mary's Landing. Last seen southbound from St. Mary's Landing. Suspect last seen in a white van

2311; Officer passed suspect in a white van at the Exxon. Trying to turn around
2311; Officer behind a white van. Doesn't believe it's the same one
2312; Trying to get suspect information and weapon information
2313; Registration provided from the victim hasn't returned any results
2313; One officer out at St. Mary's Landing
2314; Apparently suspect pulled a gun on the person of contact. Still trying to sort it out
2315; Officer staying put at Flora Corner and 235. Few officers checking Old Village and one checking WaWa
2319; Few areas checked with negative results
2320; Van passing Mechanicsville School. Officers trying to catch up. No tag light on it
2320; White male with an adult female with him. Bald head, overalls. Between 5'8 and 5'10
2321; Another white van at 7-11. Expecting the same one
2321; Van at the 7-11 is one in the same as the van that passed Mechanicsville school
2323; Numerous units out at the 7-11
2325; Not the van they're looking for
2328; Now looking for a white mini-van
2330; Witness at the scene confirming the van went south
2338; No luck on the van, have found a wanted person from PG County
2341; Units going in service, no luck finding the van

 

[Lugnut]

Why would you post the LOCATIONS of officers involved in an incident?

 

[G1G4]

Why would you post the LOCATIONS of officers involved in an incident?

You have no idea where the rest of them are, and it's not going to compromise anything. I posted the location of one stationairy officer. The rest are (were) mobile. I could understand it if this was a bank robbery, or looking for an armed robbery suspect.

 

[Lugnut]

I am continually amazed at the lack of OPSEC and cavalier atitude toward officer safety displayed by some of you.

"Oh well it's only ONE officer..."

Dip####.

 

[G1G4]

I am continually amazed at the lack of OPSEC and cavalier atitude toward officer safety displayed by some of you.

"Oh well it's only ONE officer..."

Dip####.

None of them have been killed by what I have written on an internet forum.

I mean, after all, guys on the run from the cops continually check the SoMd.com forums for tips and tricks and how to hide from the police. It's part of their pre-plan I think.

Right?

 

[Lugnut]

None of them have been killed by what I have written on an internet forum.

I mean, after all, guys on the run from the cops continually check the SoMd.com forums for tips and tricks and how to hide from the police. It's part of their pre-plan I think.

Right?

Like I said, cavalier attitude.

 

[Go G-Men]

Why would you post the LOCATIONS of officers involved in an incident?

If I am not mistaken the info was being put out over the scanner. Therefore those officers are stating there positions for public consumption not G1G4. Let it go!!

 

[wagondriver1]

If I am not mistaken the info was being put out over the scanner. Therefore those officers are stating there positions for public consumption not G1G4. Let it go!!

Absolutely!!!!


Also according to the time he posted it, it was 20-30 minutes after the entire incident was over.

 

[OldHillcrestGuy]

Bad guy more likely to have a scanner with him then a laptop signed on to SoMdOnline.

 

[carie_47421]

Yea, so why the "freak Out" ?? it's public information DIP SH^%!...get a life, loser

 

[G1G4]

If I am not mistaken the info was being put out over the scanner. Therefore those officers are stating there positions for public consumption not G1G4. Let it go!!

Absolutely!!!!


Also according to the time he posted it, it was 20-30 minutes after the entire incident was over.

Bad guy more likely to have a scanner with him then a laptop signed on to SoMdOnline.

Yea, so why the "freak Out" ?? it's public information DIP SH^%!...get a life, loser

 

[Lugnut]

Absolutely!!!!


Also according to the time he posted it, it was 20-30 minutes after the entire incident was over.

Check the timestamps again. Maybe the 24hr time the OP used and 12hr time stamp on the forum is confusing you?

Bad guy more likely to have a scanner with him then a laptop signed on to SoMdOnline.

True enough, but the radio system is mandated by the county and unless they move to an encrypted system it will remain a large weak point for operational security. The officers are aware of it and MANY stay off the radio as much as possible because of this.

Adding a second OPSEC leak is in no way helpful. Specifically calling out officer locations adds no value to the information while adding to the possibility that the information can be used to their detriment. However unlikely that may be.

Yea, so why the "freak Out" ?? it's public information DIP SH^%!...get a life, loser

"Freak out"? You're something of a drama queen aren't you...

 

[G1G4]

Adding a second OPSEC leak is in no way helpful. Specifically calling out officer locations adds no value to the information while adding to the possibility that the information can be used to their detriment. However unlikely that may be.

Once again, when a situation is an obvious life threatning incident, locations won't be posted. Obviously, the guy had a gun and could have been a life threatning situation, but the guy was on the move and wasn't in the vicinity. One victim said he had a gun, no one else confirmed that he did. He didn't shoot anyone with it, so it wasn't an obvious life-threat danger. I've posted about them before, and will continue to do so. It's pretty obvious what's safe to post and what isn't. One officer's stationairy location while atleast ten others are on roving patrol isn't affecting anyone's security. Sorry you feel that way.

 

[SoMDGirl42]

Yea, so why the "freak Out" ?? it's public information DIP SH^%!...get a life, loser

I don't think Luggy freaked out. I think he has a vested interest in his opinion, and I'll leave it at that.

 

[toppick08]

I don't think Luggy freaked out. I think he has a vested interest in his opinion, and I'll leave it at that.

 

[Lugnut]

Once again, when a situation is an obvious life threatning incident, locations won't be posted.

Obviously, the guy had a gun and could have been a life threatning situation,

You dont see your own contradiction do you?

but the guy was on the move and wasn't in the vicinity. One victim said he had a gun, no one else confirmed that he did. He didn't shoot anyone with it, so it wasn't an obvious life-threat danger.

Uh... What? So it's only a life threatening situation when somebody has ALREADY been shot?? I would bet the officers assumed otherwise.

I've posted about them before, and will continue to do so.

That's unfortunate. At best it's simply bad practice and an information leak. At worst, it's a source of information that can lead to identifying patrol habits, compromising operations and (however unlikely you may think) placing officer safety in jeapardy.

It's pretty obvious what's safe to post and what isn't.

That's just it... It's NOT obvious. Even dispatchers and officers themselves sometimes violate OPSEC unknowingly. Things like locations, routes, habits, destinations, etc can all be vita information and nobody knows how vital or when its vital, until AFTER it has been exploited. The smart officers go above and beyond the mandated refresher training and study on their own time, attend courses, and modify their habits and behaviors to eliminate those errors.

How much training do you get in those areas? How much do you pursue on your own???

I applaud your efforts to keep people informed. But including sensitive information in a second by second account DOES have the potential to put an officer in danger.

Leave the sensitive information out, or post the whole account after it's over. Anything else is simple negligence

 

[G1G4]

From now on, locations of the officers won't be given out. Work for you?

 

[Black-Francis]

From now on, locations of the officers won't be given out. Work for you?

He has a point.....:shrug:

 

[Lugnut]

From now on, locations of the officers won't be given out. Work for you?

I apologize for the "dip####" remark. It was a knee jerk attempt to grab your attention and uncalled for.

 

[SoMDGirl42]

From now on, locations of the officers won't be given out. Work for you?

I think that's fair. Of course, we all like to know what's happening, but leaving out the locations of officers is a safety precaution for the officers.