Benghazi fiasco
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What should happen is the morons in Congress should worry more about getting the average Joe and Jane back to work...they should worry more about protecting the financial system of this country from itself, they should worry more about fixing our crumbling infrastructure and educational system...and less about who they are running against in 2016.
If you can't see that this hoopla is about nothing more than 2016...then you are flat out blind.
But I thought Barry said he was going to do that back in 2008 and again in 2012?
So now it's congress's job to do what Barry said he was going to do, guess that will free up more time for him to go golfing and take more vacations.
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mamatutu
mama to two
I disagree. If Congress (and Sec of State, and POTUS) cannot guarantee American safety here and abroad, then the economy, education, infrastructure, and who is running in 2016 doesn't really matter. If the demand for the truth about the death of Ambassador Stevens and the Navy Seals is a bunch of hoopla to you, then I question your patriotism.
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Agreed, Obamacare should be repealed.
Baja28
Obama destroyed America
Yea, they shouldn't worry about American diplomats being killed or the lying to cover it up.
If stupid hurt, you'd pass out from the pain.
SamSpade
Well-Known Member
Kinda just exactly like Watergate. Amirite?
I remember as a kid, I thought they were just ganging up on Nixon - like they always did. Every paper in the country kept pointing at the White House over a little break-in, in an election where the Democrat was beaten so badly there was no likelihood that anything they did would have altered that fact.
After months and months of daily Watergate stuff, I was way past the 'enough already' phase. Watergate hearings were becoming daily routine.
itsrequired
New Member
You don't think that the lies told by the administration was about the election of 2012? If this is the character of the people who are in office now and will seek office in 2016, then I think it's pretty important to have this hoopla!
I don't really consider it hoopla, I consider that those who died deserve to have the truth told.
SamSpade
Well-Known Member
I'm not sure what ought to be done. I guess as much as I am concerned about what we generally know now, unless there's evidence of direct coverup by either the State Department or the White House, it's looking more like tragic ineptitude than tyranny. Even the most determined of the press - until recently - was resigned to that likelihood. No one has THAT much faith in Washington, and a little less when it comes to Democrats prosecuting war.
I think it's completely possible - and likely - that Obama had nothing to do with what went down, or what happened afterward. Thus far, everything always seems to point to staff and those under him doing everything possible to prop him up, even if it means breaking a law here and there.
But I still find his leadership in the situation to be utterly inept. Here was a bona fide crisis pertaining to terror and American soil - and his reaction seemed tepid at best. Almost as if the one thing he didn't want to do was be woken out of bed.
I think it's completely possible - and likely - that Obama had nothing to do with what went down, or what happened afterward. Thus far, everything always seems to point to staff and those under him doing everything possible to prop him up, even if it means breaking a law here and there.
But I still find his leadership in the situation to be utterly inept. Here was a bona fide crisis pertaining to terror and American soil - and his reaction seemed tepid at best. Almost as if the one thing he didn't want to do was be woken out of bed.
warneckutz
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Pixelated
Four Americans murdered by terrorists? Pffttt! Another attack on American soil? Pffttt! Propagating lies in order to cover up massive failures by the State Dept and Obama administration? Pffttt… all in a days work. The families of those butchered in this attack? They don’t deserve the time of day.
We, the people, don’t deserve the truth about what our government is doing. They don’t work for us. We are subjects that need to know our place, which is dirt.
Americans murdered by terrorists
How dare you peons think our king should be bothered with such nonsense.
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Pixelated
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Pixelated
Look… You peons need to get it in your thick skulls that our ordained leader cannot be bothered by such petty issues like the murder of Americans through acts of war. He is far too busy with his beer summits, Whitehouse parties inviting top Hollywood and music entertainers, playing basketball, golf, vacations, and campaign trips selling us that he is here to save us all.
Does Constitutional only mean right for you? A thing might be wrong but still be Constitutional.But it was deeded constitutional
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Pixelated
I’d like to think that when it comes to the law, if it complies with the constitution we would all agree with it; if it doesn’t we wouldn’t. But I know most have very little interest in the constitution so my point is rather moot in most peoples' minds.
Uh, okay.
If we all saw it the same way why in the world would we need constitutions, laws, or governments in the first place? I think more people than you think have an interest in the Constitution and many of us differ in our interpretation of what it means. I suspect that you will now tell me that your interpretation is the correct one, right?
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Pixelated
Uh, okay.
If we all saw it the same way why in the world would we need constitutions, laws, or governments in the first place? I think more people than you think have an interest in the Constitution and many of us differ in our interpretation of what it means. I suspect that you will now tell me that your interpretation is the correct one, right?
The constitution is supposed to be the central authority for all law. If you live in this country you abide by this premise or find another country that meets your political/legal thinking. If you disagree with something that is in the constitution we have the amendment process. Otherwise, no law should be passed that is in violation of the constitution. Being a nation of constitutional law I'd think we would all agree on this.
But, as I stated, I know a lot of folks aren’t interested in the constitution and would rather have it amended at the bench.
For me the Constitution is the guiding principle of our government. No premise needed, it is a fact whether one agrees with it or not.
The amendment process has nothing to do with the individual, the Constitution can only be changed by Congress with state ratification or by collective state action alone. There is no provision for the individual at all.
Until a law is passed how would one know if it is in violation of the Constitution? Are you suggesting that the judiciary interact with the legislative when creating law, before sending a bill to the executive or maybe the judiciary sit with the executive in determining whether to veto a measure? Or should the legislative create the laws, the executive accepts/enforces or vetoes, and the judiciary determines the constitutionality when a claim of injury is made by an aggrieved party to the law, thereby maintaining the separation of powers as intended?
Can you give me an example where the judiciary has amended the Constitution from the bench?