Bible contradictions?

[crabcake]

Not surprising. I'm not one that believes in complete inerrancy of the Bible; it does have errors, but they're not significant to the message that I believe IS relevant.

Usually when someone wants to fault the Bible, I ask the same question - which error gives you the MOST grief - show me where it occurs. Because they usually can't - they're parroting someone else's "research", whose results align with what they already believed when they came across it.

It's like listening to this guy at work complain about bad officiating at a game he didn't watch - but heard someone ELSE describe.

You make a good point Sam. From my stance, I feel that the bible contains a lot of good lessons in morality for how people should live (i.e., the ten commandments), and in the absence of following any sort of belief system, I simply keep those things in mind in my life and try to abide by them b/c they seem to be common sense things to live life by. My own personal stance, though, is that I just am not at a point where I believe in the existence of one sole God over anything else.

 

[migtig]

I knew you were going to say that.

She's probably like me, forced to read it in boot camp. No lie. But then I re-read it again as an actual adult of free will, and I still don't have the knowledge or know everything about it. I got the gist of it and certain passages stick out, but I don't know it all, and if I ask an ignorant question, then that's good. At least I asked. The only truly ignorant question is an unasked one. JMO

 

[itsbob]

Last but not least.. the Nazi symbol..

translated.. GOD WITH US

 

[nomoney]

I think she's implying that she has formed an opinion of you based upon others opinions and thereby, no matter what is said, done, or proven, you will always be on her shiyat list. :shrug: But it doesn't matter, does it? The only opinions that matter should be yours and the ones you love.

cc. I mean if you don't strut your stuff now and act the floozie part out perfectly; how the hell are you gonna catch yourself that second husband you've always wanted :shrug:

 

[2ndAmendment]

but one only has to read from his own writings to appreciate that Hitler's God equals the same God of the Christian Bible. Hitler held many hysterical beliefs which not only include, God and Providence but also Fate, Social Darwinism, and ideological politics. He spoke, unashamedly, about God, fanaticism, idealism, dogma, and the power of propaganda. Hitler held strong faith in all his convictions. He justified his fight for the German people and against Jews by using Godly and Biblical reasoning. Indeed, one of his most revealing statements makes this quite clear:

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

Did you miss that not all that call themselves Christian are Christian?

Lot of people that call themselves Christian and some of those that are Christian have some non Biblical beliefs. Christians are fallible as opposed to God who is not.

 

[crabcake]

cc. I mean if you don't strut your stuff now and act the floozie part out perfectly; how the hell are you gonna catch yourself that second husband you've always wanted :shrug:

I need another husband like my dog needs another set of to lick.

 

[SamSpade]

Last but not least.. the Nazi symbol..
http://www.ronaldbrucemeyer.com/rantpix/gott_mit_uns.jpg

translated.. GOD WITH US

Really? That belt buckle from WW2 looks SO MUCH like this one ...

from WW 1.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/wwi-buckle.jpg

Give it up. Even Napoleon thought God was on his side. Didn't make him "Christian". Just egotistical.

 

[Railroad]

You make a good point Sam. From my stance, I feel that the bible contains a lot of good lessons in morality for how people should live (i.e., the ten commandments), and in the absence of following any sort of belief system, I simply keep those things in mind in my life and try to abide by them b/c they seem to be common sense things to live life by. My own personal stance, though, is that I just am not at a point where I believe in the existence of one sole God over anything else.

You know where else you can find lots of inconsistencies? Physics.

 

[itsbob]

Oh For The Love OfGOD
will you all quit arguing!

What fun would that be?? This is the only intellectually stimulating thing I do all day..

 

[vraiblonde]

Even Napoleon thought God was on his side. Didn't make him "Christian".

And the kicker is that God was obviously NOT on Hitler's side, regardless of what he said - because he lost.

 

[Wickedwrench]

I need another husband like my dog needs another set of to lick.

Guess I won't be needing to sign that prenup now,huh?

 

[crabcake]

Guess I won't be needing to sign that prenup now,huh?

Ya know what's ironic? Dakota -- 2 seconds ago -- came over and said, "Yo master, ya think you can hook me up with another set of ? I'm bored with these!".

Now get to signing ...

 

[itsbob]

Did you miss that not all that call themselves Christian are Christian?

Lot of people that call themselves Christian and some of those that are Christian have some non Biblical beliefs. Christians are fallible as opposed to God who is not.

So is the Pope a Christian??

 

[2ndAmendment]

So is the Pope a Christian??

I don't know. Some popes have been and some probably were not hearing about what they did in their private lives. Some had mistresses and did other obviously non Christian things as I remember the dialog from the guide when I was in Rome. Of course they may have repented before they died. Not my job to decide anyway. That is between the pope and God as it is between any other person and God.

 

[slotted]

I don't know. Some popes have been and some probably were not hearing about what they did in their private lives. Some had mistresses and did other obviously non Christian things as I remember the dialog from the guide when I was in Rome. Of course they may have repented before they died. Not my job to decide anyway. That is between the pope and God as it is between any other person and God.

Someone please quote me on this since 2A has a weak argument and is ignoring.
TIA

First you have to prove that there is a god. You claim that there is, therefore the burden of proof is on you.

If I claimed that I had invisible fairies living out back of my house and told you to prove that they weren't there, that would be a little ridiculous now wouldn't it? Just like if I were to ask you to prove that all the other gods out there don't exist.

 

[itsbob]

he was never excommunicated or condemned, even though the Vatican knew much of his policies and activities. The only major complaints from Rome regarded interference in Church matters. And those were largely silenced by the 1933 Concordat with the Vatican, under Pope Pius XII, which to Hitler meant that the Catholic Church recognized the Nazi state.

And, indeed, Pius XII ordered German Catholics not to oppose Hitler. No prelate of any influence in Germany did so, even after the June 1934 Blood Purge that took the lives of several Catholic leaders. The wartime Pope made only mild and highly generalized protests against any Nazi actions and pretty much acquiesced in Hitler's treatment of the Jews, about which Pius had a pretty good idea. For their part, the Roman Church got support for mandatory school prayer and for "family values" — much like the Christian fundamentalist wish list in the modern US.

 

[migtig]

Someone please quote me on this since 2A has a weak argument and is ignoring.
TIA

First you have to prove that there is a god. You claim that there is, therefore the burden of proof is on you.

If I claimed that I had invisible fairies living out back of my house and told you to prove that they weren't there, that would be a little ridiculous now wouldn't it? Just like if I were to ask you to prove that all the other gods out there don't exist.

Actually, I don't agree with you. Nobody has to prove to you that there is or is not a god. It's all about belief and feelings and hope. I have friends that would believe you do have fairies living out back of your house. :shrug: The burden of proof is upon yourself for you to decide what you feel and believe. How do you know the sky is blue? You just know it, right? No, somebody told you it was blue. Then how do you know that blue is actually blue? It could be orange. Who's to say? :shrug: Only you can decide. However, if you have questions, you can ask for answers and guidance, but nobody can prove anything to you. You have to believe in blue skies, fairies, God, for yourself.

 

[itsbob]

I don't know. Some popes have been and some probably were not hearing about what they did in their private lives. Some had mistresses and did other obviously non Christian things as I remember the dialog from the guide when I was in Rome. Of course they may have repented before they died. Not my job to decide anyway. That is between the pope and God as it is between any other person and God.

So, who IS a christian?? Apparently nobody in Germany was.. how about ANYBODY from the Crusades??

 

[vraiblonde]

If I claimed that I had invisible fairies living out back of my house and told you to prove that they weren't there, that would be a little ridiculous now wouldn't it?

If you told me you had little invisible fairies living in your backyard, I'd simply say, "Great. Good for you." If you then badgered me to "prove" they weren't there, I'd tell you that I see them just fine and they look great.

You're very combative when it comes to religion. Why should anyone have to "prove" their beliefs to you?

 

[itsbob]

Bottom line is.. more people have died in wars and battles for God.. THEIR god... then for any other reason.. and it continues today.