Bible contradictions?

[Peanut]

Ya know what's ironic? Dakota -- 2 seconds ago -- came over and said, "Yo master, ya think you can hook me up with another set of ? I'm bored with these!".

Now get to signing ...

I find that term master to be very degrading and prejudice.

 

[crabcake]

Actually, I don't agree with you. Nobody has to prove to you that there is or is not a god. It's all about belief and feelings and hope.

Just as it's not anyone's job to prove the existence of God, it's not anyone's job to tell those who don't believe that they are wrong.

I wish SOMD could get with a non-denom preacher or someone else who's qualified to host a Q&A on here (kinda like "Ask Henry").

 

[itsbob]

I find that term master to be very degrading and prejudice.

Who really gives a rats butt what you find degrading?

 

[Goofing_Off]

Bottom line is.. more people have died in wars and battles for God.. THEIR god... then for any other reason.. and it continues today.

Is that what the Civil War was about? Is that what World Wars I & II were about? Is that what the Vietnam war was about? Those were all about God?

People use the statement that "more people have been killed over God than any other reason" to somehow discredit religion, and it's a shallow statement that's blatantly not true. Anyone who uses a little thought can see that. The fact is that people can be violent and will use any justification, including belief in God, for their violence. It's just one of many excuses.

 

[Peanut]

Who really gives a rats butt what you find degrading?

 

[2ndAmendment]

So, who IS a christian?? Apparently nobody in Germany was.. how about ANYBODY from the Crusades??

There may have been many Christians in Germany. Some from the crusades may have been; some may not have been. I don't make those judgments; not my job. I rely on the Bible. Jesus said:

Matthew 7:21-23

<sup id="en-NASB-23338">21</sup>"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

<sup id="en-NASB-23339">22</sup>"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'

<sup id="en-NASB-23340">23</sup>"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

and

John 14:15

<sup id="en-NASB-26684">15</sup>"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

I would say from these that those that love Jesus and that know Jesus and Jesus knows them and strive to keep the commandments of Jesus are Christians, but again, not my job to decide.

 

[crabcake]

I find that term master to be very degrading and prejudice.

It's common and perfectly acceptable for a dog's owner and 'voice of authority' to be referred to as its "master".

God is referred to as a master, too ... does that make believers and those who follow his words to the letter his slaves? :shrug: If so, ya better file an EEO complaint with the church.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Bottom line is.. more people have died in wars and battles for God.. THEIR god... then for any other reason.. and it continues today.

No accounting for people's belief or taste. Look at your sig for example.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Is that what the Civil War was about? Is that what World Wars I & II were about? Is that what the Vietnam war was about? Those were all about God?

People use the statement that "more people have been killed over God than any other reason" to somehow discredit religion, and it's a shallow statement that's blatantly not true. Anyone who uses a little thought can see that. The fact is that people can be violent and will use any justification, including belief in God, for their violence. It's just one of many excuses.

 

[vraiblonde]

So, who IS a christian?? Apparently nobody in Germany was.. how about ANYBODY from the Crusades??

I will jump out on a limb here and say that practically nobody is a true follower of the teachings of Christ. Jesus said:

Matthew 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

and:

Matthew 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

Matthew 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Matthew 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

Nobody does this. There's probably only about 5 people in the world who, if some burglar broke into their house, would go clean out their bank account for the robber instead of calling the cops.

9-11 - great example. True Christians would have let the terrorists hit the White House and their own home as well, instead of wanting to declare war on them.

 

[slotted]

Why should anyone have to "prove" their beliefs to you?

Well, that is how you find truth.

I'm out to convert people away from the mentally and socially irresponsible position of religion. I'm also a skeptic, I don't believe something unless there is evidence for it. I'm looking for any kind of evidence from the other side.


The x-tian, muslim, buddhist, etc assert that there is a god/gods, so the burden of proof lies on them. Whether they want to prove it or not is up to them.
I'm not sitting here claiming that there is no god, just the lack of evidence for one.

 

[itsbob]

Is that what the Civil War was about? Is that what World Wars I & II were about? Is that what the Vietnam war was about? Those were all about God?

People use the statement that "more people have been killed over God than any other reason" to somehow discredit religion, and it's a shallow statement that's blatantly not true. Anyone who uses a little thought can see that. The fact is that people can be violent and will use any justification, including belief in God, for their violence. It's just one of many excuses.

I'm not discrediting religion.. it's a fact.. add up the numbers. And someone even said in THIS thread.. God wasn't on his side, he LOST!!

Throughout history, the warring parties thought they were right, and God was on their side because they were right..

IRAQ today.. Sunni's against Shiite... It's divided around and against different religious factions.. how many people did Hussein kill just because they weren't Sunni??

Ireland.. Protestant against Catholic.. how many DECADES has that war ravaged on.. and yet no church leader has offered to end it..

Yugoslovia... Muslim and Christian..

 

[vraiblonde]

Throughout history, the warring parties thought they were right, and God was on their side because they were right..

None of those people were Christians. See my post above. War is specifically against the teachings of Christ.

 

[Goofing_Off]

I'm not discrediting religion.. it's a fact.. add up the numbers.

Okay, then show me your facts. Add up the numbers of people for me that have been killed in acts of violence throughout the ages, then add them to the number of people who have been killed in non-religious wars. Then show me the number you have for people who have been killed in acts of religious-inspired violence.

 

[2ndAmendment]

It's common and perfectly acceptable for a dog's owner and 'voice of authority' to be referred to as its "master".

God is referred to as a master, too ... does that make believers and those who follow his words to the letter his slaves? :shrug: If so, ya better file an EEO complaint with the church.

Yes, it makes Christians His servants but also His children.

1 Corinthians 4:1-3

Servants of Christ

<sup id="en-NASB-28435">1</sup>Let a man regard us in this manner, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. <sup id="en-NASB-28436">2</sup>In this case, moreover, it is required of stewards that one be found trustworthy.

<sup id="en-NASB-28437">3</sup>But to me it is a very small thing that I may be examined by you, or by any human court; in fact, I do not even examine myself.

2 Corinthians 6:3-5

<sup id="en-NASB-28902">3</sup>giving no cause for offense in anything, so that the ministry will not be discredited,

<sup id="en-NASB-28903">4</sup>but in everything commending ourselves as servants of God, in much endurance, in afflictions, in hardships, in distresses,

<sup id="en-NASB-28904">5</sup>in beatings, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labors, in sleeplessness, in hunger,

John 1:11-13

<sup id="en-NASB-26056">11</sup>He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.

<sup id="en-NASB-26057">12</sup>But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

<sup id="en-NASB-26058">13</sup>who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Since you read the Bible, I would have thought you would have known that.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I'm not discrediting religion.. it's a fact.. add up the numbers. And someone even said in THIS thread.. God wasn't on his side, he LOST!!

Throughout history, the warring parties thought they were right, and God was on their side because they were right..

IRAQ today.. Sunni's against Shiite... It's divided around and against different religious factions.. how many people did Hussein kill just because they weren't Sunni??

Ireland.. Protestant against Catholic.. how many DECADES has that war ravaged on.. and yet no church leader has offered to end it..

Yugoslovia... Muslim and Christian..

It is people using God or god to justify their position rather than subjecting their position to God's.

 

[crabcake]

Yes, it makes Christians His servants but also His children.

Since you read the Bible, I would have thought you would have known that.

1) Forgive me for forgetting my smiley.

2) I didn't commit everything I read to memory. Like I said in my post, but you appear to have glazed over, it has been years ...

3) In light of this which you posted:

But to me it is a very small thing that I may be examined by you, or by any human court; in fact, I do not even examine myself.

I take that to mean that God wouldn't have a problem with people like me questioning his existence, then.

 

[vraiblonde]

I didn't commit everything I read to memory. Like I said in my post, but you appear to have glazed over, it has been years ...

Why don't you brush up, then get back to us? Go buy the CliffNotes or something.

 

[2ndAmendment]

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3) In light of this which you posted:

But to me it is a very small thing that I may be examined by you, or by any human court; in fact, I do not even examine myself.

I take that to mean that God wouldn't have a problem with people like me questioning his existence, then.

Let me put that in further context for you. You will see that your assessment is incorrect in Biblical terms.

1 Corinthians 4

<sup id="en-NASB-28435">1</sup>Let a man regard us in this manner, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. <sup id="en-NASB-28436">2</sup>In this case, moreover, it is required of stewards that one be found trustworthy.

<sup id="en-NASB-28437">3</sup>But to me it is a very small thing that I may be examined by you, or by any human court; in fact, I do not even examine myself.

<sup id="en-NASB-28438">4</sup>For I am conscious of nothing against myself, yet I am not by this acquitted; but the one who examines me is the Lord.

<sup id="en-NASB-28439">5</sup>Therefore do not go on passing judgment before the time, but wait until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of men's hearts; and then each man's praise will come to him from God.

 

[crabcake]

Why don't you brush up, then get back to us? Go buy the CliffNotes or something.

Why buy cliffnotes when I can read it here free?