Bible contradictions
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That is fine for you, but for a Christian that would be lack of faith. Blessed is he who has not seen. To question whether Jesus, God, heaven, the Holy Spirit are real would fly in the face of being a Christian. If you don't believe, you are not a Christian. You may be seeking. You think something is or is not, but a Christian knows because he knows. That is hard to understand until you are a Christian. Lots of people go to church, maybe every day of their lives, but do it out of obligation or tradition or for a myriad of reasons other than the only real reasons to go - worship God and give thanks and celebrate their personal relationship with God.Midnightrider said:
A non-believer can guess and even consider that Christians' faith is a guess, but a Christian knows it is not a guess. I recognize my God's voice; I try to follow His voice; I always want to follow His voice; I know His voice will never tell me anything that contradicts the Bible.
Midnightrider
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:FIXED:2ndAmendment said:
believe what you will, but your guess isn't any better than mine, MM's or even WX's. just becasue you believe it without a doubt, doesn't make it any less of a guess.
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Midnightrider
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it is a FACT what you BELIEVE is a GUESS2ndAmendment said::fixed:
Nope. What I believe is FACT and TRUTH.Midnightrider said:
Midnightrider
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A belief is NOT a fact2ndAmendment said:Nope. What I believe is FACT and TRUTH.
What I believe is FACT. It is factual that I believe what I believe.Midnightrider said:A belief is NOT a fact
Toxick
Splat
Midnightrider said:
From where I come from, the word "guess" implies "random choice". You can quote the dictionary all day long, but the connotation of "guess" implies blind randomness.
Guess what's behind my back.
Guess what!
Guess where I'm going this summer!
Guess who is coming for dinner.
That's not what I did.
I didn't play "Guess what Religion is right!"
Midnightrider said:
If you don't want to be insulting then do not presume to tell me where my beliefs come from.
If I say to you, "My birthplace has nothing to do with my spirituality", then frankly, I expect that to be the end of it, unless you have some special insight into my character - which you most certainly do not. I have a major problem when you disregard what I said with a dismissive: "Does so."
Midnightrider said:
Fine. That's not what I had a problem with.
I disagree with that - but that's not where my attitude came from.
ItalianScallion
Harley Rider
Nucklesack said:
I think the problem here is partly your refusal to believe and partly your inability to understand HOW the Bible was written. Once again, the Bible was written in various ways. It uses hyperboles (exaggerations), metaphors (words meaning different things), parables (stories using pressent day situations, whether true or not, TO MAKE A POINT) and symbolic language. (Hey, you tell your kids about Santa Clause right?) Trust me, Jesus knew whether the mustard seed was the smallest or not. This mustard seed issue is getting out of hand but, IT WAS ONLY USED TO MAKE A POINT! GET OVER IT! I'll say no more about this but I'll give you 4 examples of why we can't take the Bible literally in EVERY case. Luke 14v26 He said to hate your mother & father (just to make a point), which if unexplained, would contradict the 5th commandment. Matther 23v9 He said call no man father (just to make a point) which, if unexplained, would contradict the same commandment. Matthew 5 v29-30 He said pluck out your eye and cut off your hand (just to make a point) which, if unexplained, would cause many to mutilate themselves. Romans 3v23 ALL have sinned... but infant babies haven't and until one reaches the age of being accountable, they haven't sinned. There are many others but you folks will have to meet me someplace where we can talk, I HATE TYPING OUT LONG ANSWERS HERE!Nucklesack said:
Your last question; The Bible wasn't put together in the first century. It wasn't compiled until much later although many of the writings were available. Not everyone will believe the Bible no matter how it is written so that's not even a valid question. People saw Jesus' miracles and STILL refused to believe in Him, SO availability & ease of understanding wasn't an issue back then. TODAY, however, people need to realize that we don't speak Shakespearean english, so to BETTER understand the Bible you should use a more modern translation such as the NIV Bible. Speaketh, doeth, heareth, regardeth, GOOD GRIEF DUDE! Catch up with us!
wxtornado
The Other White Meat
ItalianScallion said:WX, that person doesn't exist. God doesn't need a Bible, a magazine, a radio or TV show or even us to make Himself known. God CAN be known through the creation also, so there is NO place in all the universe that one can go and be out of His presence. Through his Spirit He can even make a severely mentally handicapped person know about Him. I can't say what He would do in every case but there will be NO ONE sent to Hell unless THEY made the choice to reject God. The Bible speaks clearly about each of us being accountable for what we know. And when they stand in His judgment someday, no one can say that they didn't know about Him. (Romans 1) God's words, not mine. Good question my friend!
For the sake of argument, let's say this person that's never heard of Jesus does exist, because he certainly could. If he dies without hearing about Jesus, will he go to heaven?
Midnightrider
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you mean likeToxick said:
Guess what happens after we die
Guess what book really speaks for god
Guess which of thousands of religions are right
I'm saying its exactly the same. Just like whats behind my back. You would use as much knowledge as you could to try to determine the answer, and then guess.
if you dont want to be insulting don't try to tell me your GUESS is any more valid than anyone else's.
wxtornado
The Other White Meat
Midnightrider said:
All great points - couldn't agree more.
I am one of those who believe there is even such scant evidence for Jesus' historical existence that in all likelihood he is more an amalgam of different characters blended into one during a legend-making process that came out of an oppressed people.
This isn't a populist view, even among scholars, but it is just about the only truly honest one: There is simply no evidence other than the bible, and even that we have no originals of, and at best it was all written decades after the alleged events.
Add to that the fact that Jesus isn't even a unique demi-god, but is similar to dozens of other such beings in mythology (Hercules is the son of god, for instance), plus there are earlier teachings of his philosophy (Confucious taught the golden rule 500 years before the time of Jesus), and there is no reason to conclude Jesus was even a real person anymore than there is reason to believe Hercules was real.
Now if Jesus was real, that's fine, but until there is some level of evidence that he was a real being, one can conclude according to the dearth of evidence for it, or in spite of the evidence against it - which most people do. They simply believe he existed, without any true support for the contention other than the book that claims he existed....claims he existed.
(And given what that book claims happened makes it even more suspect. It's like believing in Apollo because Bulfinch's Mythology tells stories about Apollo.)
Toxick
Splat
Midnightrider said:
I'm not feeling quite so combative today, so I'm not going to get into a big thing, but I do not consider my belief system to be based on a guess. I looked at all the evidence that's available, and went from there.
If you want to call that a guess, then fine. It was a guess.
Trifles and sementics.
Midnightrider said:
So disagreeing with something is an insult? Having the conviction to actually commit to your beliefs is an insult?