Biden Criticizes Trump for Openness to Meeting Maduro, Despite Own Meeting with the Venezuelan Strongman

[Kyle]

Biden’s tough rhetoric omitted that he had met with the Venezuelan dictator in the past. The two men encountered each other briefly at January 2015 inauguration of then-Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff. The impromptu meeting appeared friendly, with Maduro and Biden photographed smiling and amicably shaking hands.

At the time, an official traveling with the then-vice president’s entourage told reporters Biden and Maduro had discussed ways to ease tensions between the U.S. and Venezuela. Maduro, according to the official, told Biden he was open to discussing ways to improve the relationship, but that any effort on his part would be contingent upon the U.S. easing economic sanctions — some of which had been signed into law only weeks prior by then-President Barack Obama.

Biden Slams Trump for Openness to Meeting Maduro, Despite Own Past

Joe Biden is lambasting Donald Trump for being open to meeting with Venezuelan strongman Nicolas Maduro, despite having done so himself.

www.breitbart.com

I wonder how much $$ Biden made off of Maduro during the Obama Regime?

 

[PsyOps]

The hypocrisy is strong with this one.

 

[SamSpade]

I don't think it's hypocrisy - I think he doesn't remember.

 

[Kyle]

I don't think it's hypocrisy - I think he doesn't remember.

Ten-Second Tom.

 

[Crabcatcher79]

Do you guys not know that he was elected fairly and didn’t become a dictator until 2019.

Which was 4 years after he and Biden met?

 

[SamSpade]

Do you guys not know that he was elected fairly and didn’t become a dictator until 2019.

Which was 4 years after he and Biden met?

Yeah he was a real sweetie pie from 2013 onward. Life was a dream then. Well that and the murders, executions and detentions.

 

[Crabcatcher79]

Yeah he was a real sweetie pie from 2013 onward. Life was a dream then. Well that and the murders, executions and detentions.

You didn’t have a problem with Trump meeting Putin despite the murders, executions and detentions. Hypocrite

 

[GURPS]

You didn’t have a problem with Trump meeting Putin despite the murders, executions and detentions. Hypocrite

Liar

 

[SamSpade]

You didn’t have a problem with Trump meeting Putin despite the murders, executions and detentions. Hypocrite

See, this is why I ignore most of your stuff - you can't follow a subject. The OP premise is that while Biden chastises Trump for wanting to meet with Maduro, he himself had already done so. YOUR argument was, yeah, but that was four years before he became a dictator. I presume you thought he was a good guy up until that point, (because he'd been elected with the slimmest margin imaginable) but the fact is, he was a brutal President from the moment he gained power all the way UNTIL he seized it. It doesn't matter if he became a dictator in 2019 - he was ALWAYS a tyrant.

So somehow you think mentioning that Trump met with Putin, something that has nothing to do with what everyone is discussing, is relevant. Everyone has met with him. Obama has met Putin. HILLARY has met with him. Even Chuck Schumer had a coffee and a Krispy Kreme donut with him. In international politics, you can't NOT meet with him.

Maduro, like Kim Jong Un, is a brutal dictator of an adversarial regime, but he has the added threat of being in our back yard. We can't afford a potentially rich nation to ally with our enemies. We can't have another Cuba.

 

[GURPS]

So somehow you think mentioning that Trump met with Putin, something that has nothing to do with what everyone is discussing, is relevant. Everyone has met with him. Obama has met Putin. HILLARY has met with him. Even Chuck Schumer had a coffee and a Krispy Kreme donut with him. In international politics, you can't NOT meet with him.

Well Said

 

[Crabcatcher79]

See, this is why I ignore most of your stuff - you can't follow a subject. The OP premise is that while Biden chastises Trump for wanting to meet with Maduro, he himself had already done so. YOUR argument was, yeah, but that was four years before he became a dictator. I presume you thought he was a good guy up until that point, (because he'd been elected with the slimmest margin imaginable) but the fact is, he was a brutal President from the moment he gained power all the way UNTIL he seized it. It doesn't matter if he became a dictator in 2019 - he was ALWAYS a tyrant.

So somehow you think mentioning that Trump met with Putin, something that has nothing to do with what everyone is discussing, is relevant. Everyone has met with him. Obama has met Putin. HILLARY has met with him. Even Chuck Schumer had a coffee and a Krispy Kreme donut with him. In international politics, you can't NOT meet with him.

Maduro, like Kim Jong Un, is a brutal dictator of an adversarial regime, but he has the added threat of being in our back yard. We can't afford a potentially rich nation to ally with our enemies. We can't have another Cuba.

I can follow along with your logic easily. You can’t criticize Biden for meeting Maduro and praise Trump for meeting Putin.

Not only is Putin guilty of all the things Maduro is he also tried to help Trump get elected.

Maduro was a fairly elected leader in the eyes of the world at the time Biden met with him in the course of doing Vice presidential business.Since then he has stolen an election been recognized by the world as being an illegitimate leader of the country and has killed his own citizens to remain in power.

Every country in the world except Russia has sanctioned him and now you think it’s a good idea for Trump to meet with him?

The comparison to Trump meeting Putin is apt as Putin kills , jails and tortured his own people yet you remain silent on that.

your only point in this thread is to attempt to make Biden look bad but the situation has changed and you don’t have the same problem with Trump meeting with Putin.
So again. You are a hypocrite who jumped on the first headline attacking Biden without even stoping to think it through and seeing how ridiculous the criticism was.

Putin is also a brutal dictator of an adversarial regime.

 

[SamSpade]

I can follow along with your logic easily. You can’t criticize Biden for meeting Maduro and praise Trump for meeting Putin.

Except that I made it abundantly clear that EVERYONE has met with Putin - fully aware of what kind of leader he has been. Every American head of state has met with his Russian counterpart. Putin, having been in power for so long, has ALSO met with MANY Democratic leaders and heads of state. You just can't be a leader in this country and ignore the nation's biggest antagonist. We had Presidents meet with Stalin and Khrushchev. It's not approval. It's just the way it is.

Not only is Putin guilty of all the things Maduro is he also tried to help Trump get elected.

And I cannot believe you are STILL trotting out that clearly disproved idea. At this point, it's really a good reason to just block you, because you can't use reason - or facts.

Maduro was a fairly elected leader in the eyes of the world at the time Biden met with him in the course of doing Vice presidential business.Since then he has stolen an election been recognized by the world as being an illegitimate leader of the country and has killed his own citizens to remain in power.

"Fairly" is questionable, but he did actually win. Not without demonstrations believing it was fraudulent.
He also "won" in 2018, but that one was completely fraudulent.

And in 2015 he was also a brutal tyrant, killing dissidents and imprisoning opponents. He didn't suddenly go from benevolent ruler to tyrant in 2019. He was always that way.

Every country in the world except Russia has sanctioned him and now you think it’s a good idea for Trump to meet with him?

Didn't say that and if you'd not derailed the thread talking about Putin, you'd know the entire thing is about BIDEN thinking it is wrong for TRUMP to be open to meeting with him - when he had already done so. THAT is it. Biden criticizing the President for thinking about doing something that he had already done. YOUR response was - yeah but that was in 2015 when he wasn't a dictator. MY response was, so the hell what, he was a murdering hoodlum. Irrelevant.

The comparison to Trump meeting Putin is apt as Putin kills , jails and tortured his own people yet you remain silent on that.

For good reason - none of us are discussing it. This is about Biden. And Trump. Silence isn't tacit approval - or disapproval. It just has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

It is about whether or not BIDEN is being a hypocrite. You won't address that at all, except with the inane argument that Maduro must have been some kind of nice guy in 2015. When you couldn't answer, you launched off about Putin.

your only point in this thread is to attempt to make Biden look bad but the situation has changed and you don’t have the same problem with Trump meeting with Putin.

The situation has NOT changed, and I DID address that. Maduro has ALWAYS been a vicious leader. He didn't suddenly turn to the dark side when he seized power. You want to discuss Putin? He has also won every election he's been in. Doesn't make him a good leader.

So again. You are a hypocrite who jumped on the first headline attacking Biden without even stoping to think it through and seeing how ridiculous the criticism was.

The criticism is 100% valid. Biden has no business criticizing Trump for THINKING about something he's already done. And we have pictures. Maduro was a bad guy then and still is. Duly elected doesn't make you a good guy. Hitler won election too. Means nothing.

 

[Crabcatcher79]

Except that I made it abundantly clear that EVERYONE has met with Putin - fully aware of what kind of leader he has been. Every American head of state has met with his Russian counterpart. Putin, having been in power for so long, has ALSO met with MANY Democratic leaders and heads of state. You just can't be a leader in this country and ignore the nation's biggest antagonist. We had Presidents meet with Stalin and Khrushchev. It's not approval. It's just the way it is.



And I cannot believe you are STILL trotting out that clearly disproved idea. At this point, it's really a good reason to just block you, because you can't use reason - or facts.


"Fairly" is questionable, but he did actually win. Not without demonstrations believing it was fraudulent.
He also "won" in 2018, but that one was completely fraudulent.

And in 2015 he was also a brutal tyrant, killing dissidents and imprisoning opponents. He didn't suddenly go from benevolent ruler to tyrant in 2019. He was always that way.



Didn't say that and if you'd not derailed the thread talking about Putin, you'd know the entire thing is about BIDEN thinking it is wrong for TRUMP to be open to meeting with him - when he had already done so. THAT is it. Biden criticizing the President for thinking about doing something that he had already done. YOUR response was - yeah but that was in 2015 when he wasn't a dictator. MY response was, so the hell what, he was a murdering hoodlum. Irrelevant.



For good reason - none of us are discussing it. This is about Biden. And Trump. Silence isn't tacit approval - or disapproval. It just has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

It is about whether or not BIDEN is being a hypocrite. You won't address that at all, except with the inane argument that Maduro must have been some kind of nice guy in 2015. When you couldn't answer, you launched off about Putin.



The situation has NOT changed, and I DID address that. Maduro has ALWAYS been a vicious leader. He didn't suddenly turn to the dark side when he seized power. You want to discuss Putin? He has also won every election he's been in. Doesn't make him a good leader.



The criticism is 100% valid. Biden has no business criticizing Trump for THINKING about something he's already done. And we have pictures. Maduro was a bad guy then and still is. Duly elected doesn't make you a good guy. Hitler won election too. Means nothing.

You still don’t get it. Meeting with Maduro or Putin once the world has seen their atrocities and it has been recognized by every leader in the free world, and sanctioned by them as well, after both men have stolen the last election is a wholly different animal than meeting with either of them post installing themselves by stealing elections.

Trump needs Putin’s help just like he did in 2016 and will do whatever Putin’s says which is why he is open to meeting Maduro.


“The Russian government interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election with the goals of harming the campaign of Hillary Clinton, boosting the candidacy of Donald Trump, and increasing political and social discord in the United States.

The Internet Research Agency (IRA), based in Saint Petersburg and described as a troll farm, created thousands of social media accounts that purported to be Americans supporting radical political groups, and planned or promoted events in support of Trump and against Clinton; they reached millions of social media users between 2013 and 2017. Fabricated articles and disinformation were spread from Russian government-controlled media, and promoted on social media. Additionally, computer hackers affiliated with the Russian military intelligence service (GRU) infiltrated information systems of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), and Clinton campaign officials, notably chairman John Podesta, and publicly released stolen files and emails through DCLeaks, Guccifer 2.0 and WikiLeaksduring the election campaign. Finally, several individuals connected to Russia contacted various Trump campaign associates, offering business opportunities to the Trump Organization and damaging information on Clinton. Russian government officials have denied involvement in any of the hacks or leaks.”

Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[GregV814]

You guy are wasting valuable banter on nutscratcher.

 

[GURPS]

The Russian government interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election with the goals of harming the campaign of Hillary Clinton, boosting the candidacy of Donald Trump, and increasing political and social discord in the United States.

Liar .... The Russians SUPPORTED Neither Candidate


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/technology/facebook-russian-political-ads.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/01/us/politics/russia-2016-election-facebook.html

 

[SamSpade]

You guy are wasting valuable banter on nutscratcher.

He's on ignore now. He just can't seem to get when he's off subject and can't not insult. So I am done.
I'll wait until the next incarnation.

 

[Gilligan]

You still don’t get it.

...that..coming from you, of all people.

 

[Gilligan]

I'll wait until the next incarnation.

An inevitable thing....

 

[GURPS]

He just can't seem to get when he's off subject and can't not insult.

He is an Idealog ........ his way is the ONLY Way

You don't support Antifa YOU Are a Fascist

 

[Clem72]

I can follow along with your logic easily. You can’t criticize Biden for meeting Maduro and praise Trump for meeting Putin.

Clearly you cannot follow his logic. He is not criticizing Biden for meeting Maduro. He is criticizing Biden for his own criticism of Trump for wanting to do something he has already done. He is criticizing the hypocrisy, not the act.