ItsGene said:http://www.netrider.net.au/articles/fatigue.pdf
Written by a rider that put over 300,000 miles on his two wheeled ride in 5 years. He understands riding and fatigue and he is a local boy for those of you in Maryland!
Need somebody to ride a bike home Saturday?Toreadoralpha said:Good article, thanks.
desertrat said:Your brain uses a huge amount of calories, probably more so when you are riding and processing information rapidly (hopefully) . When you add excess noise into the equation, sound, which is also processed by the brain, even if meaningless, just draws more on your energy reserve.
aps45819 said:Need somebody to ride a bike home Saturday?
Roughidle said:I read the AMA article. When any claim is preceded by the words "may be" it tells me that there isn't any definative evidence. Not saying I'm not open to the idea that it "may" but then so would chewing gum also draw upon your energy reserves as would breathing, heart pumping...blah blah blah.
The motorcycle noise issue is strictly $$ driven. Excessive noise is, has, and always will be a relative term. Be it exhaust, music or someones mother in law.
Gotta pick up the boy at 6 this evening.Toreadoralpha said:Actually, going up this afternoon. Her bike won't be ready, adding bags and windshield that won't be here until next week. Going to put it on the trailer, I'm not about to try to ride in this frigid weather. You know I'm a fair weather rider! Want to come up with us?
Ok noise is relative then because although I think rap music is noise it is good sound, still can't call it music, to others. So noise is sound we don't like, therefore any level of noise is undesireable and an exessive amount is unacceptable.Roughidle said:The decibel is a measurement of sound not noise.
Noise is unwanted sound no matter what the decibel.
My stand on the excessive noise issue being $$ driven is based on what I see and hear by the lobbyists. When I see the big companies advocating "noise restriction" out of one side of their mouth and voiding warranties for purchase of after market exhaust pipes and yet selling almost exact versions of "custom" exhaust under their own lable, I have to be skeptical of their true intent. Is it to keep noise emissions down and the reputation of motorcyclists positive or to protect their own market niche.
desertrat said:Ok noise is relative then because although I think rap music is noise it is good sound, still can't call it music, to others. So noise is sound we don't like, therefore any level of noise is undesireable and an exessive amount is unacceptable.
Decibel is the measurement of the amplitude of sound waves. Doesn't descriminate, that is up to us.
I only know of 2 bike mfrs that market an "off road" exhaust, Harley and Triumph. While ther's not a lot of after market options for a new Triumph exhaust, I'd have to agree that Harley is trying to protect their sales by offering a illegal exhaust system.Roughidle said:The decibel is a measurement of sound not noise.
Noise is unwanted sound no matter what the decibel.
My stand on the excessive noise issue being $$ driven is based on what I see and hear by the lobbyists. When I see the big companies advocating "noise restriction" out of one side of their mouth and voiding warranties for purchase of after market exhaust pipes and yet selling almost exact versions of "custom" exhaust under their own lable, I have to be skeptical of their true intent. Is it to keep noise emissions down and the reputation of motorcyclists positive or to protect their own market niche.
I thought harley corporate has told their dealers no more selling "off road only" accesories..aps45819 said:I only know of 2 bike mfrs that market an "off road" exhaust, Harley and Triumph. While ther's not a lot of after market options for a new Triumph exhaust, I'd have to agree that Harley is trying to protect their sales by offering a illegal exhaust system.
itsbob said:And as mentioned in the other thread.. research numbers.. If you ride a loud bike, one with modified exhaust, your are 37% , more likekly to crash. That in itself is evidence that quiet bikes are safer.
Stats are stats.. you can't change the numbers..Pete said:
1. Lying through statistics makes tons of people a living and promotes an ass load of agendas.itsbob said:Stats are stats.. you can't change the numbers..
Maybe I'll go back and read the article just to make sure my number is right, and see who did the research to determine the number. Does anyone offer any research to the contrary?? Hard accident numbers, loud bikes are in LESS accidents??