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Was there a reason why you thought of him? Honestly, I had never heard of the man before that day. VERY sheltered.FireBrand said:
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Lem Putt
I can't speak for FireBrand, but I remember knowing who it had to be as soon as the second plane hit. It had been in the news that AQ had done the embassies and the Cole, so it was extremely likely they were behind 9/11.Bronwyn said:
Clinton had even launched a couple of token Tomahawks at AQ during the Monica thing, so he even knew who was the problem. Either that, or he was wagging the dog.
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Osama was exiled from Saudi in 1994. He was in Afgan from then until 2002. I've been looking through old newspapers to discover at what point he went from Legitimate to terrorist. The first mention of him as a terrorist was in 1995, after he was exiled. I found this old clip from 1975 that mentions the "Bin Laden brothers". Now if I could just fill in the middle ground.
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Me, too....I did the same thing at work that day. Everyone looked at me like I was crazy. I really don't even remember why I knew it was him, but I just did. Weird.
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I'd heard of him before. Had training and more learning of him after the Cole got hit.Bronwyn said:
Larry Gude
Strung Out
He issued his...
...fatawa against us in 1996 and I think US papers reprinted it shortly afterwards, if memory serves. Plus, Time magazine interviewed him in 1998.
He was not being confused with Mother Theresa back then.
...fatawa against us in 1996 and I think US papers reprinted it shortly afterwards, if memory serves. Plus, Time magazine interviewed him in 1998.
He was not being confused with Mother Theresa back then.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
This is a part...
...of the whole unreality of the global 'war' on terrah. As a GOP'er, I have felt a distinct unease ever since major combat operations slowed down in Afghanistan and accusations that the administration was shifting it's focus to Iraq leaving unfinished business began.
Nah, they know what they're doing! They got him boxed in, tracking him. Why they've hurt him bad! We'll get him. Any day now.
Killing him should have been mission critical. There is no way in hell he should still be alive or any doubt of his status and that includes invading Pakistan and/or going to war with them, if necessary.
It's like going to the grocery store because we need milk (UBL) and coming back with bread (Iraq), no milk, and arguing that, why golly gee, we need bread to!
Bush has earned every bit of questioning of his leadership and strategies.
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...of the whole unreality of the global 'war' on terrah. As a GOP'er, I have felt a distinct unease ever since major combat operations slowed down in Afghanistan and accusations that the administration was shifting it's focus to Iraq leaving unfinished business began.
Nah, they know what they're doing! They got him boxed in, tracking him. Why they've hurt him bad! We'll get him. Any day now.
Killing him should have been mission critical. There is no way in hell he should still be alive or any doubt of his status and that includes invading Pakistan and/or going to war with them, if necessary.
It's like going to the grocery store because we need milk (UBL) and coming back with bread (Iraq), no milk, and arguing that, why golly gee, we need bread to!
Bush has earned every bit of questioning of his leadership and strategies.
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Give Peas a Chance
I hate this term. It's an open ended slogan and that's all. Just like "the War on Drugs."Larry Gude said:
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Lol!
How about for terrah, we just say "No!"
No more pretending that we're fighting for our children and grandchildren. No more pretending we're in a life or death struggle. No more pretending that we have to 'win' this or that. Because if this is how we fight when it matters we've already lost.
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How about for terrah, we just say "No!"
No more pretending that we're fighting for our children and grandchildren. No more pretending we're in a life or death struggle. No more pretending that we have to 'win' this or that. Because if this is how we fight when it matters we've already lost.
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Ken King said:
We need to use some James Bond crap or something. Use the CIA because stomping around the planet with an Army is not a good way to catch someone. Armies are easy to spot coming.
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Bronwyn said:
Some of your answer in buried in http://www.snopes.com/rumors/north.asp
Osama bin Laden's hatred of the U.S. and conversion to 'terrorist" status is not believed to have come about until the Gulf War of 1990-1991, when he was outspokenly critical of Saudi Arabian dependence upon the U.S. military and denounced U.S. support of a "corrupt, materialist, and irreligious" Saudi monarchy. (The Saudi Arabian government stripped bin Laden of his citizenship in 1994 for his funding of militant fundamentalist Islamic groups)
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Yeah, prior to that, we kind of funded him in a way when helping the Afgans against Russia. He wasn't a leader or anything back then, but he was fighting the Russians at the back of the Taliban and we funneled support in there because it's the Cold War.Lenny said:
Larry Gude
Strung Out
The ugly truth about all of this...
...is that bin Laden is right; we do support corrupt, undemocratic nor based in rule of law governments that do oppress their people and we have for a long time. He is also correct that his religion tells him we, infidel (non Islamic faithed) armies should be expelled from their Holy Lands.
We are their enemies. I wonder if we'll ever start taking them seriously.
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...is that bin Laden is right; we do support corrupt, undemocratic nor based in rule of law governments that do oppress their people and we have for a long time. He is also correct that his religion tells him we, infidel (non Islamic faithed) armies should be expelled from their Holy Lands.
We are their enemies. I wonder if we'll ever start taking them seriously.