Bipartisanship Is Back: Here Comes Amnesty

GURPS

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According to WaPo’s sources, “10 GOP senators are gettable for these reforms, mostly Republicans who are retiring or are willing to challenge the GOP’s Trump wing.”

Sargent, in true lapdog media fashion, he wondered, “Will Republicans support something that *actually* would bring more order to the border?”

As former senior advisor to President Donald Trump explained, “This is open borders propaganda, not journalism.”

“A mass amnesty in the middle of history’s worst border crisis — along with a blank check to continue endemic voluntary catch-and-release — will result in many millions more illegally across our border. Which of course is the point,” he added.








 

SamSpade

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(shrug) Is there really a big difference between granting amnesty - and doing what we're doing NOW?
 

SamSpade

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Right now, we have far more illegals crossing than we ever have, and our CURRENT solution is the old catch and release. I can barely imagine a system more absurd than telling people, ok, stay here in the country until your court date but PROMISE to show up, ok? Because we really don't know where the hell you are otherwise.

And of course, more gotaways. When you have tens of millions of illegals here in the country, and basically, very little is being done to repatriate them - amnesty is as someone said, a distinction without a difference.
 

Hijinx

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I am still trying to figure out why the Democrats want to give America to foreign invaders.
There has to be a monetary reason
 

Clem72

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(shrug) Is there really a big difference between granting amnesty - and doing what we're doing NOW?
Granting amnesty opens more avenues for gaining citizenship...... and despite what some conservative news likes to print, non-cuban hispanics are not voting R.
 

SamSpade

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Granting amnesty opens more avenues for gaining citizenship...... and despite what some conservative news likes to print, non-cuban hispanics are not voting R.
It's trending that way. I expect it will BE that one or two more election cycles.
 

CPUSA

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and despite what some conservative news likes to print, non-cuban hispanics are not voting R.
Not even the ones that actually are?
What Crystal Ball are you gazing into?...HH's sphincter?

Or maybe you're just commenting without actually having any kind of facts to back up your absurd claim....you know...like you pulled these stats outta that crystal ball you're gazing into...
 

Clem72

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It's trending that way. I expect it will BE that one or two more election cycles.
Why would you say it's trending that way? This is the first time NM went completely blue. Every single majority Hispanic district in California, Arizona, NY, and Texas went blue, several flipped from red. Where is the data (outside of Florida) that supports your claim?

I invite you to look through this list of majority hispanic congressional districts and see for yourself. Click on the district and you will see their voting history, and outside of Florida they are all blue and almost all MORE blue than the prior election. There are a couple in that link that show red in Texas, but if you click on the district you will get an updated page that shows they went blue this election.

I know you like to think for yourself, so look at the data and think about what picture it paints, rather than whatever slanted pole some opinion piece article you read is sourcing.

 

SamSpade

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Why would you say it's trending that way? This is the first time NM went completely blue. Every single majority Hispanic district in California, Arizona, NY, and Texas went blue, several flipped from red. Where is the data (outside of Florida) that supports your claim?

I invite you to look through this list of majority hispanic congressional districts and see for yourself. Click on the district and you will see their voting history, and outside of Florida they are all blue and almost all MORE blue than the prior election. There are a couple in that link that show red in Texas, but if you click on the district you will get an updated page that shows they went blue this election.

I know you like to think for yourself, so look at the data and think about what picture it paints, rather than whatever slanted pole some opinion piece article you read is sourcing.

Because of other articles I've read, based on - I guess - immigration trends and how Latinos view themselves as part of this country.

It's not so much whether this region or that region flips - e.g. the New Mexico flip was ONE DISTRICT - (out of a total of three), and it was close. It's not statisitically significant. In California, exactly one district flipped from red to blue - and one, from blue to red. In Arizona, there were no flips to blue - but two flips to red. In Texas, one district flipped to blue - and one to red.

Overall, the most disappointing thing about the mid-terms was - there weren't a lot of flips at all. Senate seats change a little more often, but House seats, even in tidal wave years, don't change much.

So I don't see any of that data being all that significant. Saying a Democrat kept his seat in the House - I don't even have to know who it is to know he has a better than 95% chance of doing that.

What I am observing - is a larger trend. Latinos are now integrating as much into separate classes and regions in the country that they vote more as the "new" bloc they are in, rather than as a Latino bloc. If you're a suburban Hispanic family living in middle America, stats are showing you're more likely to vote as a suburban middle American. I am not sure why it is this way, but more and more, measuring the Latino vote is becoming like trying to measure the Irish or Italian vote.


This gibes with national numbers across the board that Hispanics trending towards GOP.

Now - I do have some of my own opinions, but only as it relates to Latinos in my extended family - and among my close friends. Latin MEN are far more likely to support the person demonstrating more - machismo. They're for very traditional families and they're close knit, just as the Italian and Jewish families I grew up around. Almost everything that conservatives support culturally, aligns with what they already believe. They're more religious than the typical American. And they demonstrate the same independent self-made person thing typical of conservatives that I have known.

That is my GUT feeling - smarter people than me are seeing a trend away from a Latin "bloc" and more of an integration into the nation and as such, don't think of themselves as immigrants, per se.
 
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