Bishop warns that Muslims who convert risk being killed

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From:http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/

Islamic Tolerance alert.

By Jamie Doward in The Observer:

One of the Church of England's most senior bishops is warning that people will die unless Muslim leaders in Britain speak out in defence of the right to change faith.

Michael Nazir-Ali, the Bishop of Rochester, whose father converted from Islam to Christianity in Pakistan, says he is looking to Muslim leaders in Britain to 'uphold basic civil liberties, including the right for people to believe what they wish to believe and to even change their beliefs if they wish to do so'.

Some Islamic texts brand Muslims who convert to other faiths as 'apostates' and call for them to be punished. Seven of the world's 57 Islamic states - including Iran - impose the death penalty for conversion.

Some Islamic texts? You mean like the pre-eminent collection of authoritative hadiths, Sahih Al-Bukhari, quoting Muhammad himself?

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57: Narrated 'Ikrima:

Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

Where do those extremists get their ideas!

Now Ali, who some see as a potential Archbishop of Canterbury, has told Channel 4's Dispatches programme of his fears about the safety of the estimated 3,000 Muslims who have converted to other faiths in Britain.

'It is very common in the world today, including in this country, for people who have changed their faith, particularly from being Muslim to being Christian, to be ostracised, to lose their job, for their marriages to be dissolved, for children to be taken away,' Ali said. 'And this is why some leadership is necessary from Muslim leaders themselves to say that this is not what Islam teaches.'

I think we may just have hit a snag here, Your Grace. Of course, I guess they could say that "this is not what Islam teaches" even while it does.

Dispatches obtained Islamic texts sold in Britain that say the punishment for apostasy is death - according to all four schools of Islamic jurisprudence. One text called for Muslims to cut off the head of those who reject Islam.

Of course, rigorously logical thought has not exactly been one of the outstanding characteristics of the C of E of late.

The radical Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir, which some in Britain want to see banned, states in its constitution that in countries that practise Sharia law, apostates are to be executed. Its message is disseminated on university campuses across Britain and has found a following among a minority of young Muslims.

A poll of more than 1,000 British Muslims, conducted by the Policy Exchange think-tank this year, found that 36 per cent of Muslims aged between 16 and 24 believe those who convert to another faith should be punished by death.

Only 36 percent?

Sheikh Mogra, a senior member of the Muslim Council for Britain, told Dispatches: 'We live in a country where we respect people's choices. It is not right for any British Muslim to harm in any way whatsoever; to bully them, to intimidate them, to threaten them, is all against Muslim law.'

So, as noted, "the punishment for apostasy is death - according to all four schools of Islamic jurisprudence," a teaching given by Muhammad himself -- so how do we make sense of this last quote? Well, it's obviously wrong, but that's not something it seems the Observer -- or anybody else in the dhimmi press -- wants to get into.

 

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So much for the Islamic cliché and abrogated verse from the Qur'an:
" Let there be no compulsion in religion"

One common cliché in Islamic apologetics is when Muslims quote Surrah:02.256: which states: “Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.” (Qu’ran, 002:256)

And, about “No Compulsion” ???

"Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah's Apostle, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky than ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you (not a Hadith) then it was indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, where-ever you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection."
Source: (Sahih Bukhari: Volume 9, Book 84, Number 64, Narrated 'Ali)

More "Compulsion"

"...I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. (Qur'an 008.012)

“Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief,- except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty. (Qur’an 016.106)

According to the Qur'an, Muslims are not allowed to befriend Jews nor Christians. With such separatist ideology, peace on earth is not possible:

"O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors of each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them..." (Qur'an: 005.051

"And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease (submit) verily Allah doth see all that they do." (Qur'an: 008.039)

"It has been narrated by 'Umar al-Khattib that he heard the messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: 'I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim."'
(Sahih-Muslim: Book 019, No. 4366)

"...Two deens (religions) shall not co-exist in the Arabian Peninsula..."
( Malik's Muwatta: Book 54, No. 45.5.18 )

It is a Contradiction for the Qur'an to state that there should be No Compulsion in Religion on one hand and then turn around and create the Compulsion to strike terror into the hearts of Unbelievers. If there was really "No Compulsion" then Muslims would not be indoctrinated to hate Jews, Christians and all other non-Muslims because they disagree with Islamic teachings.

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