Black Lives Matter

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Larry you have fun bringing up BS arguments. I don't have the inclination to play your silly games today.
Now, now. 'Silly' would be to be pro second amendment while simultaneously being in favor of gummint regulation. That you don't, or won't, see the obvious doesn't make it a game. Just say you're for some gummint regulation if it's black kids in the cities and not for any if it's white kids in the woods and we can go from there about how 'rights' are conditional. :buddies:
 

Bird Dog

Bird Dog
PREMO Member
Now, now. 'Silly' would be to be pro second amendment while simultaneously being in favor of gummint regulation. That you don't, or won't, see the obvious doesn't make it a game. Just say you're for some gummint regulation if it's black kids in the cities and not for any if it's white kids in the woods and we can go from there about how 'rights' are conditional. :buddies:
This thread has never been a 2A thread. It's about the hypocrisy of the BLM folks, the MSM, and Black folk who find racism around every corner.
The thousands of young black men, shot and killed in this country, not to mention the young black children killed in the crossfire is a National disgrace, but because it is not politically expedient, no one gives a rats ass.

When the above mention folks find this issue more important or equally as important as some young thug being shot by a white police
officer in the line of duty, they should constantly be called out for the hypocrites they are.

....and blaming guns is just plain stupid.
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
Now, now. 'Silly' would be to be pro second amendment while simultaneously being in favor of gummint regulation. That you don't, or won't, see the obvious doesn't make it a game. Just say you're for some gummint regulation if it's black kids in the cities and not for any if it's white kids in the woods and we can go from there about how 'rights' are conditional. :buddies:
You are full of #### as usual, nuff said.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
Based on what? Do you believe in the right to keep and bear arms? What makes that legitimate? Only government approval? If so, doesn't that fly in the face of it being a right?
Larry, every right has reasonable limits. For example, the oft-touted "fire in a crowded theater" argument.

It is reasonable to say people who have repeatedly used firearms in committing a crime may be limited or even denied future use of firearms, just like taking away a driver's license from someone who has demonstrated repeated DUI actions.

So, one may have the 2A and be for reasonable limitations on that restriction of government interference. As with any other limitation on governmental involvement in citizens' lives, the question is exactly where that line is drawn, not whether there is a line drawn. For example, for the entirety of the existence of the United States, marriage laws were handled by the tenth amendment. Very recently, the United States government determined that the tenth amendment to the constitution no longer applies, and that the federal government gets to establish some of the requirements for what constitutes "marriage" to obtain a state marriage license/certificate. However, other requirements (like age, closeness of blood relationship, whether or not one is in another relationship, etc.) are still left to the states. In my opinion, the federal government overstepped its bounds of the tenth in doing this. The question isn't whether the states may restrict who they allow to register relationships with the government - the tenth makes that clear the states may do this - the question is whether or not the federal government should get involved in that state's right to do so. Same here with 2A, essentially. The question isn't whether or not the government may get involved; the question is to what extent the government may get involved.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
Do you know the story behind fire in a theater? We all should as it totally transforms the popular understanding
Are you talking about the kids who trampled one another on Christmas Eve, Calumet?

Either way, it changes absolutely zero about my point. Do you have a comment on my point, or just the quoted one-liner, which is tangential to my point at best?
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
No. Where the quote actually came from, justice Holmes and what he was referring to.
It's believed he was talking about the incident which I referenced.

Either way, it changes absolutely zero about my point. Do you have a comment on my point, or just the quoted one-liner, which is tangential to my point at best?
 

Lurk

Happy Creepy Ass Cracka
No. Where the quote actually came from, justice Holmes and what he was referring to.
Justice Holmes said:
The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic. [...] The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent.
Take it from here.

But then, there's this: Says it is time to ignore Holmes' statement since it is meaningless as a restriction on free speech.
 
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Lurk

Happy Creepy Ass Cracka
Take it from here.

But then, there's this: Says it is time to ignore Holmes' statement since it is meaningless as a restriction on free speech.
It's really hard to avoid the belief that these were all (or significantly) shootings of one minority demographic. But we mustn't push it too much until we can verify that with the official crime reporting (ignoring the less-than-valid press).
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
It's believed he was talking about the incident which I referenced.

Either way, it changes absolutely zero about my point. Do you have a comment on my point, or just the quoted one-liner, which is tangential to my point at best?
The Easter Bunny is believed in by some. We'd be better off dealing with what is rather than what is not. A lot of people think Miranda was innocent.
 
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