Blu Ray DVD's?

Tomcat

Tomcat

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Debate in the household, 720p vs 1080p? I've been doing some research on this and from what I've been able to find, the average person watching less than a 50" screen from more than 6-8 feet, can't tell the difference. All TV and movies are filmed/shot at 24 frames per sec. TV's display at 60hz (60 frames per second) to do this the the TV (DVDplayer/Blu Ray) add frames before displaying the picture. If all of this is correct, why pay for a Blu Ray player and disks? It's just converted in the TV to display anyways. What got me thinking about this is I looked at what's available on Blu Ray disks (netflix lists over 100,000 titles, but only 700 are Blu Ray) Looking at Blockbusters list of Blu Ray's I saw 2001: A Space Odyssey, Now that was filmed before they even heard of BluRay's. So what makes it an HD (higher priced) DVD? If it was filmed at 24 frames per sec, it's still going to be converted one way or the other when you see it on the screen.
 
Xaquin44

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There is no point. Especially since you'd have to pay 300$-500$ for a player then 30$-40$ for the movies. Compare that to 60$-150$ for a DvD player and 5$-20$ for the movies.
 
Bavarian

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Tomcat said:
Debate in the household, 720p vs 1080p? I've been doing some research on this and from what I've been able to find, the average person watching less than a 50" screen from more than 6-8 feet, can't tell the difference. All TV and movies are filmed/shot at 24 frames per sec. TV's display at 60hz (60 frames per second) to do this the the TV (DVDplayer/Blu Ray) add frames before displaying the picture. If all of this is correct, why pay for a Blu Ray player and disks? It's just converted in the TV to display anyways. What got me thinking about this is I looked at what's available on Blu Ray disks (netflix lists over 100,000 titles, but only 700 are Blu Ray) Looking at Blockbusters list of Blu Ray's I saw 2001: A Space Odyssey, Now that was filmed before they even heard of BluRay's. So what makes it an HD (higher priced) DVD? If it was filmed at 24 frames per sec, it's still going to be converted one way or the other when you see it on the screen.
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Movies like 2001 were shot on 35mm or 70mm film. The resolution of film is way better than HD. So, Blu-ray is worth it, especially if you are buying a new DVD player. Always go for the highest resolution available. The rest of your components will catch up.

I forget, was Blu-Ray or HD-DVD the one that was backwards compatible to regular DVD?
 
Solja_Boy

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Tomcat said:
Debate in the household, 720p vs 1080p? I've been doing some research on this and from what I've been able to find, the average person watching less than a 50" screen from more than 6-8 feet, can't tell the difference. All TV and movies are filmed/shot at 24 frames per sec. TV's display at 60hz (60 frames per second) to do this the the TV (DVDplayer/Blu Ray) add frames before displaying the picture.

It is worth getting blue ray. There is a noticable difference between a blue ray DVD and a standard DVD. You may think a standard DVD looks good but if you watch several blue ray dvds then go back to a standard dvd do you will definatly notice how much wors ethe standard dvd looks.

My blue ray player has 1080P upconvertion on standard dvds and they still don't look nearly as good as blue ray dvds
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clevalley

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Solja_Boy said:
It is worth getting blue ray. There is a noticable difference between a blue ray DVD and a standard DVD. You may think a standard DVD looks good but if you watch several blue ray dvds then go back to a standard dvd do you will definatly notice how much wors ethe standard dvd looks.

My blue ray player has 1080P upconvertion on standard dvds and they still don't look nearly as good as blue ray dvds
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We watched Pirates of the Caribbean III in BlueRay and in Standard... Blue Ray's picture was WAY more better than the standard DVD.
 
Solja_Boy

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clevalley said:
We watched Pirates of the Caribbean III in BlueRay and in Standard... Blue Ray's picture was WAY more better than the standard DVD.
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Blue ray also offers lossless audio and dolby true hd audio. standard dvds only offer a compressed 5.1 audio.
 
glhs837

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vanbells said:
Most movies aren't even shot for 1080p. So it's mostly for games right now.
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Actually, youve got that backwards. Very few games use 1080p for anything other than cutscenes,, as noted above, movies shot decades ago can be reshot from 24mm film, which has a higher resolution than 1080p, the below is from the wiki on High Definition

The four major film formats provide pixel resolutions (calculated from pixels per millimeter) roughly as follows:

* Academy Sound (Sound movies before 1955): 15 mm × 21 mm (1.375) = 2160 × 2970
* Academy camera US Widescreen: 11 mm × 21 mm (1.85) = 1605 × 2970
* Current Anamorphic Panavision ("Scope"): 17.5 mm × 21 mm (2.39) = 2485 × 2970
* Super-35 for Anamorphic prints: 10 mm × 24 mm (2.39) = 1420 × 3390


Typical high-definition home video uses the following resolutions:

* 1280 × 720
* 1920 × 1080

Usually when studios master movies for home video release they use assets in high resolution and then master them to 1920 × 1080 and/or 1280 × 720.
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And, yes, they do look better on Blu-Ray, at least on a larger set.
 
vanbells

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Sorry, I was talking older movies not current ones. As far as games, it'll have a spot on the PS3 games if anything is in 1080p.
 
glhs837

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Note that first entry was for films shot before 1955, and so, yes, that list includes older movies. Heres how Popular Mechanics answered the question...


Classic Films in Blu-Ray High Definition - Transfering Old Movies to HD - Popular Mechanics

There’s no reason movies shot on 35-mm film can’t look great in HD; their native resolution is actually far higher than Blu-ray’s. (Remember: These movies were shot to fill huge theater screens.) And when films are scanned into digital, they are brought in at between 2000 and 8000 lines of horizontal resolution—far more than Blu-ray’s 1920 pixels across by 1080 pixels down.
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That previous list wasnt just for current film formats, but for quite some time back also. Having watched "The Searchers", made in 1956, in Blu-Ray, trust me, older material, properly preserved and transferred, looks amazing. Kids loved it too.

One cool thing about todays media age, our children have easy access to not only the stuff we watched as kids, they can see movies my parents watched in theatres, and the cartoons that were shown as shorts before those films:)
 
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I'm not sure what refresh rate has to do with resolution? High definition has to do with the quality of the picture being displayed, not how often it is updated on the screen.

I personally, don't see enough difference in a blue ray picture to be worth paying the extra cost for the movies. But at the same time, I love how tv's are going to a wide screen format. I just wish that more tv channels would move to widescreen. It's hard to even find a 4:3 format tv anymore. But since I only watch movies on one of my three tv's. Half the screen space on two tv's is never used. And no, Im not going to stretch the image to fill the whole screen as I think it looks rediculous.
 
Caddyman

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If you sit down in front of a good HDTV playing a good Blue-Ray movie, you will see the difference...

right now 1080i or p is used mainly for like the nat geo shows that sweep across the grand canyon and things like that

most all sports you see in HD now is 720p
 
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