BREAKING NEWS: Attorney General Alberto Gonzales Resigns

[vraiblonde]

but you can't be non-degreed and be considered "qualified".

I disagree with that. You can be extremely qualified, in fact the most qualified candidate for a given job, but be passed over for a nitwit with the paperwork. That doesn't make you underqualified or a bad choice.

 

[vraiblonde]

There it is...the first "But Bill Clinton!!!". Along with "Liberal Media!!!" in the same post!

So what? If Clinton sets an agenda, and his predecessor merely follows it, why would I not mention Clinton's name?

I think it's adorable the way Democrats try to pretend Clinton never existed. Really.

 

[vraiblonde]

And Kerad, it's very telling that I asked YOU to tell me what was so bad about the Bush casualties, and you haven't said a word but the conservatives on this board have jumped right in.

 

[SamSpade]

How was he any more underqualified than any other FEMA director?

His resume and credentials show almost no experience whatsoever for the job - even though it was significantly trumped up.

 

[Larry Gude]

I'll try again...

How can you say that?

....deep breathe; He got....re....elected...with....Don...Root...of...all evil...Rumsfled...still...actively...and...in fact...as...Sec...def.

I'll go you one better. Ashcroft, the other root of all evil, didn't resign until after the election either. When you got the votes, you got the votes. Use 'em or lose 'em.

 

[vraiblonde]

His resume and credentials show almost no experience whatsoever for the job - even though it was significantly trumped up.

Brown was Deputy Director before he took the big job. How can you say he had no experience?

 

[Novus Collectus]

Gonzales resigned? GOOD!

 

[Larry Gude]

So...

While you may think Brown didn't mess up, he was greatly underqualified for the position, and that IS what we are discussing - not what they "did wrong".

...next step; what did he do wrong, besides prevent a massive hurricane from flooding a city built below sea level full of people who believed it would never happen?

If my heart surgeon isn't qualified but does the job right I'm not gonna fire him after the fact because he wasn't 'qualified'.

 

[Novus Collectus]

Brown was Deputy Director before he took the big job. How can you say he had no experience?

Was he experienced enough to even be the deputy in the first place?

 

[SamSpade]

I disagree with that. You can be extremely qualified, in fact the most qualified candidate for a given job, but be passed over for a nitwit with the paperwork. That doesn't make you underqualified or a bad choice.

Actually it does. What you wrote doesn't make sense - one guy has the pedigree, the other doesn't. But the pedigree - which in other circles is known as "the qualifications" - doesn't make him "qualified" and the LACK of one, might actually be "qualified".

Whew. Does that make sense? Can you explain it to me?

If I'm hiring people for a job, I'd try to see if they have relevant work experience and or the academic credentials. Meyers had neither. Ginsburg - even if you think she's out to lunch - has them. Brown didn't have them either, and his resume when investigated was full of baloney.

It's one thing to pull for your side, but when your guy isn't qualified, you don't keep them in there out of - - - "loyalty". And you don't reward them for ---- "loyalty" --- either.

 

[vraiblonde]

Was he experienced enough to even be the deputy in the first place?

What experience should you have to be Deputy Director of FEMA?

 

[Larry Gude]

Experienced...

Was he experienced enough to even be the deputy in the first place?

...at what, being the deputy?

At some point, a pilot takes his first flight with a plane full of people. At some point a parent has their first child. What the hell did the guy used to do, flip burgers? Caddy for W's dad?

 

[Pete]

....deep breathe; He got....re....elected...with....Don...Root...of...all evil...Rumsfled...still...actively...and...in fact...as...Sec...def.

I'll go you one better. Ashcroft, the other root of all evil, didn't resign until after the election either. When you got the votes, you got the votes. Use 'em or lose 'em.

This is not the greatest example but William Jefferson was re-elected after the FBI found $90K in his freezer. Does the fact he was re-elected when an inictment was imminent mean he is still an asset to the Democratic party?

Voters in the presidential election don't vote for the cabinet members, they voted against Kerry or for Bush.

 

[SamSpade]

...next step; what did he do wrong, besides prevent a massive hurricane from flooding a city built below sea level full of people who believed it would never happen?

If my heart surgeon isn't qualified but does the job right I'm not gonna fire him after the fact because he wasn't 'qualified'.

Fine. I'm appointing your heart surgeon. Personal friend of mine; once played a heart surgeon on TV. If you survive, I'll let you know how good he is. I passed over a couple guys with *decades* of *experience*, by the way.

Michael Brown should never have been Deputy Director. Geez, look the stuff up online, I don't want to link all the damned sites just so you can dispute them. He wasn't qualified, and his resume was a pile of baloney. He had references to positions right out of college where no one has any record of him being there.

 

[Pete]

His resume and credentials show almost no experience whatsoever for the job - even though it was significantly trumped up.

I disagree, Brown was executed by the media and Bush did throw him under the bus because of the emotional execution of Brown. FEMA has not ever and likely will not ever again be faced with a cataclismic event like Katrina taking out a major metropolitan area. No one, given FEMA's past role, budget and history could have effectively handled that.

 

[Larry Gude]

So...

Fine. I'm appointing your heart surgeon. Personal friend of mine; once played a heart surgeon on TV. If you survive, I'll let you know how good he is. I passed over a couple guys with *decades* of *experience*, by the way.

Michael Brown should never have been Deputy Director. Geez, look the stuff up online, I don't want to link all the damned sites just so you can dispute them. He wasn't qualified, and his resume was a pile of baloney. He had references to positions right out of college where no one has any record of him being there.

...it was that bad? He was just soooo unqualified that had any one else been in his shoes help would have gotten to Nola minutes, maybe even hours faster than what happened?

Now, I'm gonna go surf the dude. He better be a burger flipper or you're in trouble.

 

[Kerad]

How was he any more underqualified than any other FEMA director?

I do have to admit, if a federal emergency requiring the investigation of Arabian horses ever struck our nation...Brown would have been the guy to turn to.

 

[Larry Gude]

I can't believe...

This is not the greatest example but William Jefferson was re-elected after the FBI found $90K in his freezer. Does the fact he was re-elected when an inictment was imminent mean he is still an asset to the Democratic party?
Voters in the presidential election don't vote for the cabinet members, they voted against Kerry or for Bush.

...you asked that.

Democrat.

Crime.

Asset.


Dude, it's a precondition, don't you think? Ours go to jail. Theirs go on to bigger and better.

 

[Pete]

...you asked that.

Democrat.

Crime.

Asset.


Dude, it's a precondition, don't you think? Ours go to jail. Theirs go on to bigger and better.

Duke agrees

 

[Larry Gude]

Hmmm...

Fine. I'm appointing your heart surgeon. Personal friend of mine; once played a heart surgeon on TV. If you survive, I'll let you know how good he is. I passed over a couple guys with *decades* of *experience*, by the way.

Michael Brown should never have been Deputy Director. Geez, look the stuff up online, I don't want to link all the damned sites just so you can dispute them. He wasn't qualified, and his resume was a pile of baloney. He had references to positions right out of college where no one has any record of him being there.

...BA in public admin, poly sci.


Yeah, what the hell was this guy doing in a political public admin job?


I'll keep looking.