BREAKING NEWS: Iraq Study Group Report

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BREAKING NEWS: Iraq Study Group’s Baker: 'Stay the course' strategy no longer viable

WASHINGTON - The Democratic co-chairman of the Iraq Study Group said Wednesday that America's ability to resolve the crisis in Iraq is narrowing and the costs could rise to more than $1 trillion.
At a news conference to release the bipartisan group's long-awaited report, former Rep. Lee Hamilton said, "The current approach is not working and the ability of the United States to influence events is diminishing. ... No course of action in Iraq (is) guaranteed to stop a slide toward chaos. Yet, in our view, not all options have been exhausted."

Speaking after Hamilton, former Secretary of State James A. Baker III, a Republican, said the time had come for "a new way forward, a new approach" in Iraq.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16068589/
 
MMDad

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Who didn't see this one coming?

After the Gates hearing yesterday, why is this even news?
 
ylexot

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Wow. :yawn: How long did it take these geniuses to come up with that one?

On a related note, last night I saw a video of a presentation given by the person (can't remember his name) in charge of the mission that captured Saddam. Part of his presentation was an analysis of the enemy (remember, this was early in the war). Much of the enemy was the "elite" Republican Guard. The analysis of the enemy was that they were poorly trained (couldn't shoot straight), would crumble easily under pressure, and couldn't sustain their forces. That makes me wonder...who are we fighting now? If he was fighting the "best-of-the-best" in Iraq and defeating them easily, who are we fighting now? Iran? Syria? Al-Qaeda? My guess is mostly Iran with some Al-Qaeda guerrilla warfare tactics help.
 
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They keep saying "new direction, new direction" but don't offer any real alternatives. The closest the Dems have come to a "new direction" idea is when Murtha called for immediate withdrawal.

Bush needs to simply say, "I'm all ears" and let them fluster and flumble trying to think of something.
 
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It must just be me. But, those people are out of their GD minds. I caught that on the news this morning and it was just crazy ridiculous. Who blows up and burns down their own country? They don't need guards they need doctors and padded rooms. Just out of control!

No other country does that and they don't even think twice just boom. They blow up cars, homes, businesses, people and babies and think nothing about it. After a while there will be nothing left everything will be burned down and blown up.
 
MMDad

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vraiblonde said:
They keep saying "new direction, new direction" but don't offer any real alternatives. The closest the Dems have come to a "new direction" idea is when Murtha called for immediate withdrawal.

Bush needs to simply say, "I'm all ears" and let them fluster and flumble trying to think of something.
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Gates essentially said "new direction" without saying what it was. Instant approval. They didn't even care what that direction was, as long as it was "new".
 
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SxyEboni said:
It must just be me. But, those people are out of their GD minds. I caught that on the news this morning and it was just crazy ridiculous. Who blows up and burns down their own country? They don't need guards they need doctors and padded rooms. Just out of control!

No other country does that and they don't even think twice just boom. They blow up cars, homes, businesses, people and babies and think nothing about it. After a while there will be nothing left everything will be burned down and blown up.
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But...but....but.... Islam is a peaceful religion and muslims are a peaceful people and my pig has wings and flies around my yard. :jameo:
 
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AndyMarquisLIVE said:
BREAKING NEWS: Iraq Study Group’s Baker: 'Stay the course' strategy no longer viable

WASHINGTON - The Democratic co-chairman of the Iraq Study Group said Wednesday that America's ability to resolve the crisis in Iraq is narrowing and the costs could rise to more than $1 trillion.
At a news conference to release the bipartisan group's long-awaited report, former Rep. Lee Hamilton said, "The current approach is not working and the ability of the United States to influence events is diminishing. ... No course of action in Iraq (is) guaranteed to stop a slide toward chaos. Yet, in our view, not all options have been exhausted."

Speaking after Hamilton, former Secretary of State James A. Baker III, a Republican, said the time had come for "a new way forward, a new approach" in Iraq.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16068589/
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"The full report will be available at bookstores this week" :faint:
 
ylexot

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SxyEboni said:
Who blows up and burns down their own country?
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There are two aspects to this (IMO):
1) There are foreign fighters in there trying to defeat the US (therefore, they are not blowing up their own country).
2) There are different factions fighting each other over control of the country.
 
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vraiblonde said:
They keep saying "new direction, new direction" but don't offer any real alternatives. The closest the Dems have come to a "new direction" idea is when Murtha called for immediate withdrawal.

Bush needs to simply say, "I'm all ears" and let them fluster and flumble trying to think of something.
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This reccomended new goals. The White House plan has been staying until the job is done. What is the job, what are your specific goals. What meets the definition of progress. I've been very supportive of Mr. Bush until really late 2004. I support President Bush on alot more things than mosty of you think, but this Iraq thing is lighting a nerve. I don't really think there's ever been a plan (and I don't blame President Bush for that, the blame goes to the generals on the ground and to Mr. Rumsfeld for that).

I keep hearing the term "Stay the course" and "Cut and run" and I don't like either term. They're very harsh terms to use in the middle of a civil war over there. Honestly, the political bickering needs to be put aside and EVERYBODY needs to work towards a new goal.

The questions I have aren't the Iraq Study Group's goals, but how are we going to accomplish that. We need to send in more troops to wipe out the insurgency and the Shi'ite extremists before we can take on the political challenges.

We could've ended this in 2004 when we were fighting al'Sadr instead we cut and run from that battle.
 
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ylexot said:
There are two aspects to this (IMO):
1) There are foreign fighters in there trying to defeat the US (therefore, they are not blowing up their own country).
2) There are different factions fighting each other over control of the country.
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Okay then. Who blows up someone else's country while trying to help them fight against the people they consider the enemy? And, who blows up a country they eventually want? It's bizerk to me.
 
vraiblonde

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AndyMarquisLIVE said:
We need to send in more troops to wipe out the insurgency and the Shi'ite extremists before we can take on the political challenges.
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I agree with this, but I also understand why Bush doesn't do it - he's afraid what the Lefties say is true, that going in strong will only alienate the Iraqis we're supporting.

I just keep thinking there's more to Bush's plan than we're aware of. Bush would have to be pretty damn stupid to continue blindly with a strategy that isn't working. And I don't believe Bush is as stupid as the Lefties like to say he is. Plus, he's got a very strong cabinet to kibbutz with, and those people are anything but stupid.
 
ylexot

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SxyEboni said:
Okay then. Who blows up someone else's country while trying to help them fight against the people they consider the enemy?
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They are not trying to help Iraq :shrug:
SxyEboni said:
And, who blows up a country they eventually want? It's bizerk to me.
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Ummmm...everybody :shrug:
 
ylexot

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vraiblonde said:
I agree with this, but I also understand why Bush doesn't do it - he's afraid what the Lefties say is true, that going in strong will only alienate the Iraqis we're supporting.
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Band-aid...rip it off quick...it'll hurt for a little bit, but then it's over.
 
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