Breeding dogs

[TurboK9]

OK now for those of you who are looking to breed your M/F, please try not to be so dang casual about it. A post like "Hey I have a female Schnoodle I'm looking to breed. Anyone have a male?" is going to simply invite a lot of flak. It makes it sound (and rightly so IMHO) that you have no effing clue what you are getting into, and with a lot of rescue people on the board, you should expect to be hoisted by your petard....

Now, as an example, years ago I had a male Dobe, who was a very serious dog, that we offered for stud. The ad would go something like this...

"AVAILABLE FOR STUD: CH Ericsson V. Masterhof, euro bloodlines (Yugoslavia) IPO3, FR2, MR2, KNPV. CERF clear, VW clear, no Wobblers in line, hips A+, sire and dame similarly titled and similar health. Experienced stud, guaranteed. If you want to diversify your gene pool, this guy is the dog. Healthy, fast, strong. Awesome temperament, puts out good strong pups with serious working potential. Serious working breeders only, fee $1800."

Of course, we never advertised in community type forums, but even so, the ad itself speaks "I know WTF I am doing, and I won't breed to just anyone". Rescue folks had no need to worry about yet another truckload of homeless puppies. Oh... and for what it's worth, AKC doesn't mean squatexcept that your dog is probably overly 'line' bred with the genetic diversity of a golf ball.

Sort of like putting and ad in the paper that says "Metal thing with 4 wheels that you sit in for sale. Have title."

ROFL.

 

[Cowgirl]

May I offer one more piece of advice? If you're going to breed your dog, maybe you should learn how to properly spell the breed name.

 

[frequentflier]

May I offer one more piece of advice? If you're going to breed your dog, maybe you should learn how to properly spell the breed name.

 

[ICit]

OK now for those of you who are looking to breed your M/F, please try not to be so dang casual about it. A post like "Hey I have a female Schnoodle I'm looking to breed. Anyone have a male?" is going to simply invite a lot of flak. It makes it sound (and rightly so IMHO) that you have no effing clue what you are getting into, and with a lot of rescue people on the board, you should expect to be hoisted by your petard....

Now, as an example, years ago I had a male Dobe, who was a very serious dog, that we offered for stud. The ad would go something like this...

"AVAILABLE FOR STUD: CH Ericsson V. Masterhof, euro bloodlines (Yugoslavia) IPO3, FR2, MR2, KNPV. CERF clear, VW clear, no Wobblers in line, hips A+, sire and dame similarly titled and similar health. Experienced stud, guaranteed. If you want to diversify your gene pool, this guy is the dog. Healthy, fast, strong. Awesome temperament, puts out good strong pups with serious working potential. Serious working breeders only, fee $1800."

Of course, we never advertised in community type forums, but even so, the ad itself speaks "I know WTF I am doing, and I won't breed to just anyone". Rescue folks had no need to worry about yet another truckload of homeless puppies. Oh... and for what it's worth, AKC doesn't mean squatexcept that your dog is probably overly 'line' bred with the genetic diversity of a golf ball.

Sort of like putting and ad in the paper that says "Metal thing with 4 wheels that you sit in for sale. Have title."

ROFL.

god I love you!!!!

but hey.... lets pop out some pups with Hip/elbow dysplasia and other issues just for the fact of breeding.

not for the fact of ... lets better the breed by trying to produce better, healthier and more sound pups.

I love it when Pit owners (sorry guys)... say .... oohhh Im gonna breed him because he is a good looking dogs!! REALLY? I just laugh and walk away.

 

[Aerogal]

Since your discussing this:
Yesterday the young woman who cleans our spaces says "Anyone want a pit bull puppy?" and I responded "Only if I can use it for target pratice". Needless to say she was a little upset by my response but I told her I would never own one, especially since I don't know anything about the sire or dame. And I don't care how "good' a dog she/he may be, the breed (if they are true pits) is suspect to begin with.
The dame whelped 9 puppies (down to 8 since she sat on one and killed it).

You are all correct, these people are idiots.

 

[TurboK9]

god I love you!!!!

but hey.... lets pop out some pups with Hip/elbow dysplasia and other issues just for the fact of breeding.

not for the fact of ... lets better the breed by trying to produce better, healthier and more sound pups.

I love it when Pit owners (sorry guys)... say .... oohhh Im gonna breed him because he is a good looking dogs!! REALLY? I just laugh and walk away.

My favorite is "I want her to experience having puppies before I spay her".

Yes I'm sure your ##### will love you for putting her through hours of painful labor after struggling to cart around 8 pups in her belly. Not to mention the inconvience of dangly teets after the pups are weened... As if the dog flippin' cares.... sheesh. ANd of course, after all that, if she did care, you just give the pups away in a matter of weeks anyway!

 

[ICit]

My favorite is "I want her to experience having puppies before I spay her".

Yes I'm sure your ##### will love you for putting her through hours of painful labor after struggling to cart around 8 pups in her belly. Not to mention the inconvience of dangly teets after the pups are weened... As if the dog flippin' cares.... sheesh. ANd of course, after all that, if she did care, you just give the pups away in a matter of weeks anyway!

they have no clue how hard they have to work to keep up with the pups!!!

then they get the money for them... but dont think about the pain the new owners will deal with years from now due to negligent breeding!

 

[JoeR]

OK now for those of you who are looking to breed your M/F, please try not to be so dang casual about it. A post like "Hey I have a female Schnoodle I'm looking to breed. Anyone have a male?" is going to simply invite a lot of flak. It makes it sound (and rightly so IMHO) that you have no effing clue what you are getting into, and with a lot of rescue people on the board, you should expect to be hoisted by your petard....

Now, as an example, years ago I had a male Dobe, who was a very serious dog, that we offered for stud. The ad would go something like this...

"AVAILABLE FOR STUD: CH Ericsson V. Masterhof, euro bloodlines (Yugoslavia) IPO3, FR2, MR2, KNPV. CERF clear, VW clear, no Wobblers in line, hips A+, sire and dame similarly titled and similar health. Experienced stud, guaranteed. If you want to diversify your gene pool, this guy is the dog. Healthy, fast, strong. Awesome temperament, puts out good strong pups with serious working potential. Serious working breeders only, fee $1800."

Of course, we never advertised in community type forums, but even so, the ad itself speaks "I know WTF I am doing, and I won't breed to just anyone". Rescue folks had no need to worry about yet another truckload of homeless puppies. Oh... and for what it's worth, AKC doesn't mean squatexcept that your dog is probably overly 'line' bred with the genetic diversity of a golf ball.

Sort of like putting and ad in the paper that says "Metal thing with 4 wheels that you sit in for sale. Have title."

ROFL.

Awesome post. It's amazing how many times I'll be out with my two and be asked if I plan to breed them because their so "cute". I say no I'm not a breeder, their family pets and thier already spayed and neutered. Unfortunatly the individuals your directing this to won't see themsevles in it.

 

[TurboK9]

Awesome post. It's amazing how many times I'll be out with my two and be asked if I plan to breed them because their so "cute". I say no I'm not a breeder, their family pets and thier already spayed and neutered. Unfortunatly the individuals your directing this to won't see themsevles in it.

Still an effective vent

Hurts when the steam comes out of my ears... hot and all... This helps.

 

[libertytyranny]

Worse yet..I have heard from different people they wanted their dog to have puppies..so their kids could see. makes me sick, really. Then they are shocked when they are stuck with puppies because they can't get rid of them all. idiots.

also. I want a dobe..with all of those things you described. So it will eat anyone who tries to steal me...that's what all that means..right?

 

[TurboK9]

Worse yet..I have heard from different people they wanted their dog to have puppies..so their kids could see. makes me sick, really. Then they are shocked when they are stuck with puppies because they can't get rid of them all. idiots.

also. I want a dobe..with all of those things you described. So it will eat anyone who tries to steal me...that's what all that means..right?

Or anyone you told him to, yes.... Eric would have sold for about 10K, minimum, I've seen similar dogs go for as high as 34K when being sold to the general public.... SO you better have deep pockets

 

[libertytyranny]

Or anyone you told him to, yes.... Eric would have sold for about 10K, minimum, I've seen similar dogs go for as high as 34K when being sold to the general public.... SO you better have deep pockets

sheesh. I want a big man eating Dobe..but only have a min pin budget

 

[TurboK9]

sheesh. I want a big man eating Dobe..but only have a min pin budget

Get yourself a 2 or 3 year old rescue and train . Just make sure the dog has the right temperament for it.

 

[ArkRescue]

My Ex decided that he had to have a "professionally bred" (relative wording LOL) Rottie. Well the breeder said you can buy the German Bred female for X price but if you agree to breed her to the stud of MY choice at age 2 you can buy her for HALF the price. OF course he went for the lower price that included the breeding.

Amazingly the pups were large like the Dam despite the sire being a much smaller rottie. I understood the breeder was doing line-breeding (breeder has since died). One of the resulting males was huge - we chose to keep that one and he ended up 135 lbs and not fat by any means (dam was 125 lbs ). The breeder took 3 of the other pups per his agreement for the discount purchase price, and we sold the remaining 2 pups which the $$ we gained didn't even cover all the shots and vet care! Breeding is NOT a profitable business unless you are breeding high quality animals that can command high quality $$ or you are not doing anything to care for them beyond bare minimum. I took a week off work to care for the litter when they were born and spent the next 12 weeks working HARD caring for all the pups. Never again.

I can only hope that people get the message about how MANY dogs DIE in shelters every WEEK. Not all bad dogs, most of them are NICE dogs that are HOMELESS ! Just bad luck that they end up in the shelter and they have to die because there is someone who just came into the shelter with another dog and the shelter has no more space - so the NEXT dog DIES to make room for the newest arrival. Most people just don't know how many critters are killed every week. They don't know how few make it out of the shelters. Maybe some people (like my EX) just don't care or they wouldn't ever breed.

Still an effective vent

Hurts when the steam comes out of my ears... hot and all... This helps.

 

[TurboK9]

I can only hope that people get the message about how MANY dogs DIE in shelters every WEEK. Not all bad dogs, most of them are NICE dogs that are HOMELESS ! Just bad luck that they end up in the shelter and they have to die because there is someone who just came into the shelter with another dog and the shelter has no more space - so the NEXT dog DIES to make room for the newest arrival. Most people just don't know how many critters are killed every week. They don't know how few make it out of the shelters. Maybe some people (like my EX) just don't care or they wouldn't ever breed.

Best damned dog I ever had was a rescue. Adopted at 2YO. $50 half dead Doberman went on to be my Security patrol partner and family dog, competing in numerous protection dog / LE dog events and winning a total of 19 trophies over 6 years, a few more in his later years... he worked till he was 12, then pretty much just... well, he worked up until the end. He had more courage in his tail nub than most people ever have. Damned good dog. $50 from the pound. Learned fast, had heart, awesome temperament... I still wait for him to come in at the patio door occassionally... Silly me, it's been 3 years... Ruined me for every other dog I may have in the future, put my standards so high.

 

[yknotpoms]

Oh... and for what it's worth, AKC doesn't mean squatexcept that your dog is probably overly 'line' bred with the genetic diversity of a golf ball.

Sort of like putting and ad in the paper that says "Metal thing with 4 wheels that you sit in for sale. Have title."

ROFL.

This is so begining to be true and the AKC is shooting themselves in the foot over and over again. The concept is good, but the people and management have not been working it well. I breed AKC pomeranians for show and I am told all the time that my dogs aren't top notch because they aren't line bred tight enough. BS I finish enough dogs in my small program to keep me happy and yes, I get a few more pets then the over line bred dogs, but that is fine they stay with me until they find the right home and my door is always open if they need to come home. I don't do all the OFA tests, but I don't breed dogs with issues they are found homes if needed or stay with me. I also do breed specific rescue since I breed it is my way of trying to help, but it has made me mad at other breeders that don't take care of their own.

 

[TurboK9]

This is so begining to be true and the AKC is shooting themselves in the foot over and over again. The concept is good, but the people and management have not been working it well. I breed AKC pomeranians for show and I am told all the time that my dogs aren't top notch because they aren't line bred tight enough. BS I finish enough dogs in my small program to keep me happy and yes, I get a few more pets then the over line bred dogs, but that is fine they stay with me until they find the right home and my door is always open if they need to come home. I don't do all the OFA tests, but I don't breed dogs with issues they are found homes if needed or stay with me. I also do breed specific rescue since I breed it is my way of trying to help, but it has made me mad at other breeders that don't take care of their own.

Yay an AKC breeder who understands

As an example, I think it's the Boston that only has like 50 genetically unique individuals in the US... they are like clones. The AKC had good intentions in the beginning, but in the beginnning, nobody really understood what the damage they where actually doing... between overly 'fixing' traits that were already fixed, and trying to create pets out of breeds that were not intended for the confines and limitations of the 'pet' life, they really 'screwed the pooch' so to speak, ROFL.

Some breeds need to have the stud books opened to add genetic diversity and reduce congenital health issues.... but try to get them to do it .

With the working dog breeds, UKC is actually more 'valuable' than AKC because they actually have 'working dog' programs, and aren't as worried about the perceptions of the general public who may watch these events and draw conclusions based on ignorance and rhetoric. The AKC is too worried about how things 'look' to ever compete.... I mean, what kind of AKC title can you put on a GSD that truly relates to it's utilitarian, all puropose, capabilities? Nope... the grade the dog by how it stands and the angulation of it's back and hips... which nearly destroyed the breed in the 70's and 80's....

Form follows function. The UKC understands this. Even little dogs have an intended function.... wanna know if you have a good rat terrier? Put him through a terrier trial, don't just measure his back and nose!! LOL!! And then breed to a dog that has the exact.... same... qualities... chances are, they are related... which narrows the genetic pool, and fixes not only that nice color pattern, but also that hidden heart defect...

And good on you for having a come home policy