tommyjones
New Member
can you imagine the mess that would make. a rapist sueing his victim to carry his demon seed to term, and then taking her to court for custody and support.....
Bristol's Body, Sarah's Choice
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This_person
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I don't understand the "merely incubators with no rights or say" argument at all. They CHOSE an action which could lead to pregnancy, and thus chose the consequences.
We could talk about the <1% rape victim abortions, but let's keep it out of the rare and on the mainstream.
puggymom
Active Member
No of course not but it is not my decision to make.
I do not like abortion. I wish we lived in a world were there was no need for abortion and that every child conceived was a wanted child. But that is not the case. I would prefer elective abortions not be done after 12 weeks but like I said that is not my decision to make.
ylexot
Super Genius
So you're saying that the mother's body has rights over the fetus' body because the fetus' body cannot have rights over the mother's body...even though two people cannot have equal legal rights over the same body?
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Wenchy
Guest
I had an ultrasound done at five months gestation with Becca. My mom was holding my hand when the doctor said he suspected this: Microcephaly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. I refused further testing, and the option of a late term abortion. I did a lot of research and was totally prepared for the condition. Instead, I was blessed with a healthy child.
This_person
Well-Known Member
I'm searching for a point, but can't find one.
As I said, I'm speaking in generalities, not about me personally.
However, if you'd really like to talk about me personally, please PM me, and I'll go into whatever detail you seem to feel you need.
This_person
Well-Known Member
Why 12 weeks? I'm asking from the point of view of what the law should be, not just personal opinion. Why draw the line at 12, vice 11 or 13?
puggymom
Active Member
Not necessarily...just until technology catches up and can remove a fetus and transfer it to an incubator---does that make any sense?
As long as there is no longer a need for the woman's body then a father can sue for that.
Cowgirl
Well-Known Member
I think men should be able to sign away their rights as a father and not have to pay child support if the female decides to have the baby.
Pete
Repete
You bring up a good point and I am sure that an exception would have to be made for a pregnancy that is the result of a felony sexual assault.
As far as custody and support (in the case of a non-felony pregnancy) how is that any different than what men face now?
People hook up at a bar, beer goggles go on, she says "I'm on BC pills but still wrap it" rubber breaks, she forgot her pill that day and dude is paying $700 a month for 18 years for a kid he gets to see every other weekend and Christmas that he "didn't want" to begin with.
puggymom
Active Member
Bcecause my killing a wanted fetus you are removing the choice. Being pro-choice should protect a woman's right to HAVE a baby just as much to an abortion.
puggymom
Active Member
I am sorry I do not have time to explain it now as my son just woke up from his nap. I will be back later to try to explain it better.
Pete
Repete
Will never happen because the "state" could never afford it.
puggymom
Active Member
Because a fetus does not have rights or very little rights according to current law.So you're saying that the mother's body has rights over the fetus' body because the fetus' body cannot have rights over the mother's body...even though two people cannot have equal legal rights over the same body?
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Wenchy
Guest
I agree completely.
tommyjones
New Member
your personal experiences and bitterness explain alot about your position.
my point is that you are saying that women should be prepared to have a baby because they made the decision to have sex. But you had unprotected sex with a woman you admitedly didn't really know, and want to blame an abortion on her because she didn't ask your permission. Maybe you should have been more careful, you know, like you want all the women to be.
tommyjones
New Member
puggymom
Active Member
12 weeks is the end of the 1st trimester.
ylexot
Super Genius
Ummm...isn't that the crux of the entire discussion?
Pro-life - fetus has rights
Pro-choice - fetus has no rights
Silent Scream video from one founder of NARAL
Not bloody, but still gut wrenching when the truth is shown.
The details of the video are written out below, please share this with people to teach them the truth about abortion.
If you still make a decision to choose abortion, and pro-choice candidates after watching the full video, then so be it, but at least you have the truth.
YouTube - ABORTION: The Silent Scream Part 1 2 3 4 5 COMPLETE VERSION Pro-life Anti-Abortion Video
ABORTION - THE SILENT SCREAM COMPLETE VERSION (with permission from APF). Republished with Permission from Roy Tidwell of American Portrait Films as long as the following credits are shown:
VHS/DVDs Available
American Portrait Films
Call 1-800-736-4567
American Portrait Films - Christian Videos, DVDs, Artwork, and Apparel
This has been performed as asked. This video is perfectly legal.
The Silent Scream Complete Version - Abortion as Infanticide
Dr. Bernard Nathanson's classic video that shocked the world. He explains the procedure of a suction abortion, followed by an actual first trimester abortion as seen through ultrasound. The viewer can see the child's pathetic attempts to escape the suction curette as her heart rate doubles, and a "silent scream" as her body is torn apart. A great tool to help people see why abortion is murder. The most important video on abortion ever made. This video changed opinion on abortion to many people.
Introduction by Dr. Bernard Nathanson, host. Describes the technology of ultrasound and how, for the first time ever, we can actually see inside the womb. Dr. Nathanson further describes the ultrasound technique and shows examples of babies in the womb. Three-dimensional depiction of the developing fetus, from 4 weeks through 28 weeks. Display and usage of the abortionists' tools, plus video of an abortionist performing a suction abortion. Dr. Nathanson discusses the abortionist who agreed to allow this abortion to be filmed with ultrasound. The abortionist was quite skilled, having performed more than 10,000 abortions. We discover that the resulting ultrasound of his abortion so appalled him that he never again performed another abortion. The clip begins with an ultrasound of the fetus (girl) who is about to be aborted. The girl is moving in the womb; displays a heartbeat of 140 per minute; and is at times sucking her thumb. As the abortionist's suction tip begins to invade the womb, the child rears and moves violently in an attempt to avoid the instrument. Her mouth is visibly open in a "silent scream." The child's heart rate speeds up dramatically (to 200 beats per minute) as she senses aggression. She moves violently away in a pathetic attempt to escape the instrument. The abortionist's suction tip begins to rip the baby's limbs from its body, ultimately leaving only her head in the uterus (too large to be pulled from the uterus in one piece). The abortionist attempts to crush her head with his forceps, allowing it to be removed. In an effort to "dehumanize" the procedure, the abortionist and anesthesiologist refer to the baby's head as "number 1." The abortionist crushes "number 1" with the forceps and removes it from the uterus. Abortion statistics are revealed, as well as who benefits from the enormously lucrative industry that has developed. Clinics are now franchised, and there is ample evidence that many are controlled by organized crime. Women are victims, too. They haven't been told about the true nature of the unborn child or the facts about abortion procedures. Their wombs have been perforated, infected, destroyed, and sterilized. All as a result of an operation about which they they have had no true knowledge. Films like this must be made part of "informed consent." NARAL (National Abortion Rights Action League) and Planned Parenthood are accused of a conspiracy of silence, of keeping women in the dark about the reality of abortion. Finally, Dr. Nathanson discusses his credentials. He is a former abortionist, having been the director of the largest clinic in the Western world.
Category: News & Politics
Not bloody, but still gut wrenching when the truth is shown.
The details of the video are written out below, please share this with people to teach them the truth about abortion.
If you still make a decision to choose abortion, and pro-choice candidates after watching the full video, then so be it, but at least you have the truth.
YouTube - ABORTION: The Silent Scream Part 1 2 3 4 5 COMPLETE VERSION Pro-life Anti-Abortion Video
ABORTION - THE SILENT SCREAM COMPLETE VERSION (with permission from APF). Republished with Permission from Roy Tidwell of American Portrait Films as long as the following credits are shown:
VHS/DVDs Available
American Portrait Films
Call 1-800-736-4567
American Portrait Films - Christian Videos, DVDs, Artwork, and Apparel
This has been performed as asked. This video is perfectly legal.
The Silent Scream Complete Version - Abortion as Infanticide
Dr. Bernard Nathanson's classic video that shocked the world. He explains the procedure of a suction abortion, followed by an actual first trimester abortion as seen through ultrasound. The viewer can see the child's pathetic attempts to escape the suction curette as her heart rate doubles, and a "silent scream" as her body is torn apart. A great tool to help people see why abortion is murder. The most important video on abortion ever made. This video changed opinion on abortion to many people.
Introduction by Dr. Bernard Nathanson, host. Describes the technology of ultrasound and how, for the first time ever, we can actually see inside the womb. Dr. Nathanson further describes the ultrasound technique and shows examples of babies in the womb. Three-dimensional depiction of the developing fetus, from 4 weeks through 28 weeks. Display and usage of the abortionists' tools, plus video of an abortionist performing a suction abortion. Dr. Nathanson discusses the abortionist who agreed to allow this abortion to be filmed with ultrasound. The abortionist was quite skilled, having performed more than 10,000 abortions. We discover that the resulting ultrasound of his abortion so appalled him that he never again performed another abortion. The clip begins with an ultrasound of the fetus (girl) who is about to be aborted. The girl is moving in the womb; displays a heartbeat of 140 per minute; and is at times sucking her thumb. As the abortionist's suction tip begins to invade the womb, the child rears and moves violently in an attempt to avoid the instrument. Her mouth is visibly open in a "silent scream." The child's heart rate speeds up dramatically (to 200 beats per minute) as she senses aggression. She moves violently away in a pathetic attempt to escape the instrument. The abortionist's suction tip begins to rip the baby's limbs from its body, ultimately leaving only her head in the uterus (too large to be pulled from the uterus in one piece). The abortionist attempts to crush her head with his forceps, allowing it to be removed. In an effort to "dehumanize" the procedure, the abortionist and anesthesiologist refer to the baby's head as "number 1." The abortionist crushes "number 1" with the forceps and removes it from the uterus. Abortion statistics are revealed, as well as who benefits from the enormously lucrative industry that has developed. Clinics are now franchised, and there is ample evidence that many are controlled by organized crime. Women are victims, too. They haven't been told about the true nature of the unborn child or the facts about abortion procedures. Their wombs have been perforated, infected, destroyed, and sterilized. All as a result of an operation about which they they have had no true knowledge. Films like this must be made part of "informed consent." NARAL (National Abortion Rights Action League) and Planned Parenthood are accused of a conspiracy of silence, of keeping women in the dark about the reality of abortion. Finally, Dr. Nathanson discusses his credentials. He is a former abortionist, having been the director of the largest clinic in the Western world.
Category: News & Politics