Buh-bye, Bolton.

Kerad

New Member
"Unable to win Senate confirmation, U.N. Ambassador John Bolton will step down when his recess appointment expires soon, the White House said Monday."


:howdy:
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
PREMO Member
A shame. I had no opinion of him until I read about things he'd said and done regarding the U.N. that weren't written by someone antagonistic towards him. Then I decided I liked him. I'd heard all kinds of things about him from liberals, and was prepared to think "aw crap, I really don't want to be defending some nitwit even though I'd really like to see SOMEONE kick Kofi's condescending hypocritical azz". But the more I read about him, the more I realize what people were critical of him was all hyperbole.

Good guy. Sorry that the Senate wants to put a suck-up in there.
 

Severa

Common sense ain't common
No real surprise here.

God forbid we have someone in the UN that was actually DOING THEIR JOB. The Democrat controlled Senate doesn't have the nads to have confirmation hearings and an up or down vote on the guy, so out he goes.
 

Kerad

New Member
Larry Gude said:
...might be interesting.

Well, Kerad, why are you happy about this?

I see this as a positive sign in the sense that this could be another indication that President Bush may be accepting reality...as opposed to stubbornly holding on to what he wants reality to be.

It has been obvious for some time that Bolton would not be confirmed. Who knows what Bush was thinking a year ago...when he snuck Bolton into the job? Maybe he was thinking Bolton would do such a great job, everyone would change thier opinions of him. Obviously, that isn't the case.

Instead of trying to shove Bolton through again, he would have been better served to find a replacement who could get nominated. Surely, the President can come up with somebody with the necessary diplomatic skills. Right? If our diplomatic future is "John Bolton or bust"...we're completely screwed.

It now appears Bush has accepted the reality of the situation.

As for who I would like to see in that job? Let's just say he won't get nominated by this President. Never in a million years. Just the mere mention of his name would cause most of you Righties to spontaneaously combust. :lmao:
 

ylexot

Super Genius
Kerad said:
Surely, the President can come up with somebody with the necessary diplomatic skills. Right?
I'm still waiting to hear what Bolton has done wrong. If the answer is nothing, then why is he being opposed?

Kerad said:
As for who I would like to see in that job? Let's just say he won't get nominated by this President. Never in a million years. Just the mere mention of his name would cause most of you Righties to spontaneaously combust. :lmao:
Translation: Bill Clinton
 

Kerad

New Member
ylexot said:
I'm still waiting to hear what Bolton has done wrong. If the answer is nothing, then why is he being opposed?


Translation: Bill Clinton

:yay: You win the cookie! Not that I made it too difficult to guess...

As for Bolton, I have written previously that if he has indeed done a great job, I wouldn't oppose keeping him on for the next couple of years. I really don't know what the specific reasons the members of the committee have for refusing to vote on him. It's not just Democrats opposing him, either...but I've already been through all of that before.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
Folks this is what we can expect for the next two years. Appoint... No confirmation...Appoint... No confirmation...Appoint... No confirmation...Appoint... No confirmation...Appoint... No confirmation....................................


nothing gets accomplished...................................


This is what Kerad is in support of.........................
 

Kerad

New Member
PsyOps said:
Folks this is what we can expect for the next two years. Appoint... No confirmation...Appoint... No confirmation...Appoint... No confirmation...Appoint... No confirmation...Appoint... No confirmation....................................


nothing gets accomplished...................................


This is what Kerad is in support of.........................


:rolleyes:

Please.

If fact...please tell me, with a straight face, that the Republicans didn't block/attempt to block any of President Clinton's nominations.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
So...

Kerad said:
I see this as a positive sign in the sense that this could be another indication that President Bush may be accepting reality...as opposed to stubbornly holding on to what he wants reality to be.


...you were certainly not happy with Bubba for any of his 140 recess appointments, right?

I'm just looking for consistency.
 

Toxick

Splat
Kerad said:
That could explain the Democrats. Now...how to explain the Republican oppositon?



The Democrats have the majority. It is their ball-game, and this is their behavior. Except for filabustering, Republican action in Congress has become tantamount to simple speechmaking and/or jerking off.

Maybe they've just given up. Maybe their opposition stems from a "scratch your back now-scratch my back later" mindset. Who knows. It's a moot point.

Now, having said that, I feel the need to expound more on my 'partisan pettiness' answer...


This whole Bolton thing is oozing with the creepy feeling of "We're doing this because we can". In other words this feels like a vulgar display of power. You've said yourself more than once that Bolton was doing fine. So the only reason I can think why they would do this is because they're trying to flex their political might for the sake of flexing.

And that's pretty rotten if you ask me.
 

Kerad

New Member
Larry Gude said:
...you were certainly not happy with Bubba for any of his 140 recess appointments, right?

I'm just looking for consistency.

:shrug:

Certainly President Clinton had to come up with secondary appointees at some point...correct? I sincerely doubt he got everyone nominated into the job...either by recess appointment or by comfirmation.

Without looking it up, I'm under the impression the number of recess appointments between the two Presidents is pretty close to even...with Bush (obviously) having 2 more years to go.

What makes this particular one more newsworthy? The visibility of the post, and the visibility of the opposition, I'm guessing.
 

ylexot

Super Genius
Kerad said:
What makes this particular one more newsworthy? The visibility of the post, and the visibility of the opposition, I'm guessing.
Actually, the only opposition that I've seen was the last time around. The current opposition is...where? Why? Who's opposing him now? I could actually understand previous opposition. I don't understand why there is opposition now. He's been in the job, look at his performance. Tell us why he should not even be considered for the job...not even worthy of debate in the Senate.
 
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