Bush destroys military readiness

[Bustem' Down]

I think you should Kiss Frenchy's pink derriere for helping us free ourselves from British rule....

but you have a short memory don't you?

No, I think we know history better than you. After the Revolutionary war, we spent 10 years fighting a "Quasi War" at sea with the French who consistantly attacked American shipping and conscripted American sailors into the French Navy. Ground efforts during the Rev war were token at best. You shouldn''t learn your history from Mel Gibson movies. The French were not even going to help us unless we won a battle all by ourselves.

 

[SamSpade]

No, I think we know history better than you. After the Revolutionary war, we spent 10 years fighting a "Quasi War" at sea with the French who consistantly attacked American shipping and conscripted American sailors into the French Navy. Ground efforts during the Rev war were token at best. You shouldn''t learn your history from Mel Gibson movies. The French were not even going to help us unless we won a battle all by ourselves.

They almost skipped out on Yorktown altogether which is why Washington was so urgent about getting there quickly - if we didn't have Cornwallis trapped there by early October - the French were continuing on home to France (they'd been stationed in the West Indies). They weren't motivated so much by a need to assist the Americans as they were to cash in on an opportunity to attack the British.

Like they say, the French are always there when they need us.

 

[Bustem' Down]

They almost skipped out on Yorktown altogether which is why Washington was so urgent about getting there quickly - if we didn't have Cornwallis trapped there by early October - the French were continuing on home to France (they'd been stationed in the West Indies). They weren't motivated so much by a need to assist the Americans as they were to cash in on an opportunity to attack the British.

Like they say, the French are always there when they need us.

Everyone has thier Heyday, The French's has past, so has the middle east's. If I were in the French position, I probably wouldn't help either. They are too weak militarily and the effort wouldn't do them any good.

 

[forestal]

Our Heyday is past too. Crushing debt is our future.

Everyone has thier Heyday, The French's has past, so has the middle east's. If I were in the French position, I probably wouldn't help either. They are too weak militarily and the effort wouldn't do them any good.

 

[forestal]

Every country has its agenda. We didn't come to France's aid in the second world war until Germany declared war on us.

Here's a nice 'token' French effort for you..

The Battle of the Chesapeake, also known as Battle of the Virginia Capes, was a crucial naval battle in the American Revolutionary War which took place near the mouth of Chesapeake Bay on September 5, 1781, between a British fleet led by Rear-Admiral Sir Thomas Graves and a French fleet led by Rear-Admiral Comte de Grasse. It was a major defeat for the Royal Navy.

The victory by the French fleet prevented the Royal Navy from resupplying the forces of General Lord Cornwallis at Yorktown, Virginia. It also prevented interference with the supply of troops and provisions from New York to the armies of George Washington through Chesapeake Bay. As a result, Cornwallis surrendered after the siege of Yorktown, and Great Britain later recognized the independence of the United States of America

No, I think we know history better than you. After the Revolutionary war, we spent 10 years fighting a "Quasi War" at sea with the French who consistantly attacked American shipping and conscripted American sailors into the French Navy. Ground efforts during the Rev war were token at best. You shouldn''t learn your history from Mel Gibson movies. The French were not even going to help us unless we won a battle all by ourselves.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Every country has its agenda. We didn't come to France's aid in the second world war until Germany declared war on us.

Here's a nice 'token' French effort for you..

The Battle of the Chesapeake, also known as Battle of the Virginia Capes, was a crucial naval battle in the American Revolutionary War which took place near the mouth of Chesapeake Bay on September 5, 1781, between a British fleet led by Rear-Admiral Sir Thomas Graves and a French fleet led by Rear-Admiral Comte de Grasse. It was a major defeat for the Royal Navy.

The victory by the French fleet prevented the Royal Navy from resupplying the forces of General Lord Cornwallis at Yorktown, Virginia. It also prevented interference with the supply of troops and provisions from New York to the armies of George Washington through Chesapeake Bay. As a result, Cornwallis surrendered after the siege of Yorktown, and Great Britain later recognized the independence of the United States of America

You're an effing idiot, aren't you? Yeah, France helped us some 200 odd-years ago. OK, I'm betting you also support repreation (sp?) for slaves, don't you?

 

[RadioPatrol]

Is it Open Season ?

Makes sense.

So, when can we can expect all the neo-nuts who are enthralled with this war to go to Iraq?

Are there Limits ? Do I have to bring proof of a Kill ? Maybe Turn in the Koran of an Islamofacist? and get my stamp



It s a JOKE don't get wraped around the axle about it.





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Yes I was Proud to have served there .........

 

[PsyOps]

Makes sense.

So, when can we can expect all the neo-nuts who are enthralled with this war to go to Iraq?

So that's the qualifier? In order to support the war you have to actual go fight it too? And if you don't support it, you don't have to go fight. This is how liberals would have it. Can you imagine this mentality during WWII?

I'm not a "neo-nut" but I support this war. I don't like everything I see but I think the best people to make those decisions are where they need to be. I am too old now to be fighting a war (but I did serve 20 years); but if I could I would. Just so folks like you can keep your freedom to call us "neo-nut".

God Bless the "neo-nuts" over their fighting.

 

[SamSpade]

You're an effing idiot, aren't you? Yeah, France helped us some 200 odd-years ago. OK, I'm betting you also support repreation (sp?) for slaves, don't you?

He is an effin' idiot. He lifted from Wikipedia the only significant battle the French engaged in throughout the war - and which I've commented on before, they were already engaged in constant war with England - and historically, they weren't planning on engaging the British at all if we didn't have them trapped - they were planning to continue to sail to France from the West Indies.

The French were in it for themselves; they entered the war late - they provided support however meagerly, and they lost most of their land engagements except at Yorktown (such as the Battle of Savannah, Battle of Rhode Island). They were particularly p!ssed at the British for losing New France and all claims east of the Mississippi, as a consequence of the French Indian War - and they continued to snipe at the British even after the Treaty of Paris. After OUR war, they fought US in the New World, and attacked our merchant ships, taking a few thousand of them early in our nation's infancy.

Just READ about France from 1750-1800, the period in question. They joined the war in the colonies for their own benefit. They have never been our "friend". They were an ally, and that's a totally different thing.

 

[vraiblonde]

You're an effing idiot, aren't you? Yeah, France helped us some 200 odd-years ago. OK, I'm betting you also support repreation (sp?) for slaves, don't you?

:shriek:

OMG! Can't breathe!

 

[Idiot]

So that's the qualifier? In order to support the war you have to actual go fight it too? And if you don't support it, you don't have to go fight. This is how liberals would have it. Can you imagine this mentality during WWII?

I'm not a "neo-nut" but I support this war. I don't like everything I see but I think the best people to make those decisions are where they need to be. I am too old now to be fighting a war (but I did serve 20 years); but if I could I would. Just so folks like you can keep your freedom to call us "neo-nut".

God Bless the "neo-nuts" over their fighting.

You can read what my post was in response to. It's not that hard to figure out. What's good for the goose...

The ones who support this war like to pretend that every soldier over there agrees with them and 3 years ago most of them did. Now according to some veteran sites and the only polling available it's more like 50-50.. The same thing happened in Vietnam. The stateside gung-ho's are always the last to figure it out.

God Bless everyone over there fighting.

 

[PsyOps]

You can read what my post was in response to. It's not that hard to figure out. What's good for the goose...

The ones who support this war like to pretend that every soldier over there agrees with them and 3 years ago most of them did. Now according to some veteran sites and the only polling available it's more like 50-50.. The same thing happened in Vietnam. The stateside gung-ho's are always the last to figure it out.

God Bless everyone over there fighting.

What polling data? Show us. The troops don't even have an opinion on the matter. They joined to fight, not question what, where and when they fight. And you're mixing A&Os when you are comparing those that were typically drafted to those that volunteered. Most of the troops that are over there now volunteered since the war began; meaning they signed up knowing they would get sent into battle.

And you seem to be out of touch with how folks like supporters of this war, really feel about our troops. We don't want a single one of them to die. When they do we cry for them and their families. We want them home soon. That is where your type and my type meet. Where we part is my type understands the consequences of leaving when the circumstances are not ready. My type understands that there will likely be long-term consequences in this country by allowing that country to fall in the wrong hands. Your type is more concerned about the politics of it and would prefer to revert back to the Clinton days where folks didn't care much about national security, the kind of complacency that led to the 911 attacks.

So this has nothing to do with being "gung-ho" or pretending to understand how our troops feel. It has to do with our security and not having to pass this on to our children.

 

[Idiot]

What polling data? Show us.

I know this routine, I show you and you pull out your "liberal" weapon, which kills all things you disagree with or don't want to hear.

What the hell. This one is a year old but there are others.

Seventy-two percent of troops on the ground in Iraq think U.S. military forces should get out of the country within a year, according to a Zogby poll released Tuesday.

The survey of 944 troops, conducted in Iraq between Jan. 18 and Feb. 14, said that only 23 percent of servicemembers thought U.S. forces should stay “as long as they are needed.”

Of the 72 percent, 22 percent said troops should leave within the next six months, and 29 percent said they should withdraw “immediately.” Twenty-one percent said the U.S. military presence should end within a year; 5 percent weren’t sure.

My type understands that there will likely be long-term consequences in this country by allowing that country to fall in the wrong hands.

I heard your type warn about the long-term consequences of leaving Vietnam. "The Domino Theory" Then it was communism, now it's terrorism. Guess what? Other than a 6-month tryout by Cambodia, not one country turned communist after we left.

Your type was wrong then and they're wrong now.

 

[itsbob]

I know this routine, I show you and you pull out your "liberal" weapon, which kills all things you disagree with or don't want to hear.

What the hell. This one is a year old but there are others.





I heard your type warn about the long-term consequences of leaving Vietnam. "The Domino Theory" Then it was communism, now it's terrorism. Guess what? Other than a 6-month tryout by Cambodia, not one country turned communist after we left.

Your type was wrong then and they're wrong now.

ANd how many MILLION South East Asian civilians paid with their lives? They weren't wrong, you just think they were becasue no Americans were killed, There were MILLIONS of innocents killed after we left the region.

Imagine that number being American Civilians?

 

[PsyOps]

I know this routine, I show you and you pull out your "liberal" weapon, which kills all things you disagree with or don't want to hear.

No no, I go along with that poll if that is what the results are. This doesn’t explain why folks keep joining even though they know they will get sent into battle. Our military can have such opinions, but it is not their decision. Or maybe it is… through their vote. I’d like to see a poll that shows how they voted in order to affect change in our congress. A democratic congress that isn’t willing to pull the plug on funding this war.

I heard your type warn about the long-term consequences of leaving Vietnam. "The Domino Theory" Then it was communism, now it's terrorism. Guess what? Other than a 6-month tryout by Cambodia, not one country turned communist after we left.

So your default for everything is Viet Nam? And, BTW, VN is a communist country. Although we failed to thwart communism in Viet Nam, it was a noble cause and now the country suffers under that dictatorial rule. It was a mistake to not win that conflict. But, we have been overwhelmingly successful in beating communism when we had strong leaders at the helm. And guess what, it took decades to beat the communist threat. And it will take decades to be this threat. Only, YOUR TYPE doesn’t see terrorism as a threat. WHICH EXPLAINS 911.

In Iraq we are answering to a mandate that the UN set up (read UNR 1441); a mandate that the UN never intended to enforce, just as they never enforce anything anywhere else in the world. It’s a different kind of war with an enemy that uses tactics different from any war in the past and we have to learn how to fight them. This makes it especially hard for you liberals since your only line of action to fighting a war is: when it gets too tough…. QUIT!

 

[Severa]

I know this routine, I show you and you pull out your "liberal" weapon, which kills all things you disagree with or don't want to hear.

What the hell. This one is a year old but there are others.





I heard your type warn about the long-term consequences of leaving Vietnam. "The Domino Theory" Then it was communism, now it's terrorism. Guess what? Other than a 6-month tryout by Cambodia, not one country turned communist after we left.

Your type was wrong then and they're wrong now.

Waitaminute, you're quoting a poll that took data from 944 of the HOW MANY troops are serving in Iraq? Bit of a stretch there, ya think?

 

[Idiot]

A democratic congress that isn’t willing to pull the plug on funding this war.

IMO, the democrats are just as responsible for this war as the republicans are. I blame them both.

... YOUR TYPE doesn’t see terrorism as a threat...

I assure you you're wrong about that. I just don't think we can fight it with major military operations.

This makes it especially hard for you liberals...

Ha! I haven't gotten used to that yet. I know some people who'd laugh their a$$es off at me being called a liberal.

 

[Idiot]

Waitaminute, you're quoting a poll that took data from 944 of the HOW MANY troops are serving in Iraq? Bit of a stretch there, ya think?

That's why it's called a poll. That's actually a large sample considering they use similar numbers when predicting attitudes of 120 million likely voters on issues, and they're usually fairly close when the final votes are taken.

 

[Severa]

I assure you you're wrong about that. I just don't think we can fight it with major military operations.

So if you don't think we can fight it with major military operations, how would you propose we handle things in Iraq if we neo-nuts, or as you put it to PsyOps, your type, are so wrong?

 

[Idiot]

Imagine that number being American Civilians?

If it was all about the number of civilian deaths we'd be in Darfur right now.

They were wrong because they said that all of Vietnam's neighbors would turn to communism if we left. The same reason they gave for getting involved in the war in the first place. It didn't happen.