Calvert Country Communications Rebanding

dgates80

Land of the lost
Calvert County has implemented their communications system "rebanding" effort. This is a process that moves the county trunked "walky-talky" system to a different set of frequencies. This is due to an interference problem that was noted as occuring a number of years ago.

Rebanding - The RadioReference Wiki is a link to a comprehensive explanation of the issue, what scanners are affected, where to get scanner software updates (if available), which scanners WON'T need an update, etc. etc.

Here is a excerpt of the technical explanation of the situation:

When the 800 MHz band was originally created, two segments of the spectrum were set aside for Cellular Telephone (mobile and base). Public Safety was later assigned a block of frequencies, and "SMR" (community repeater), "ESMR" (Nextel), and public safety services were allowed on the remainder of frequencies. However, unlike in other bands where licensee types were allocated to contiguous blocks of frequencies, in the 800 MHz band Public Safety, SMR, and ESMR services were all mixed together. During the 1980's and 90's, Nextel created a nation-wide network by buying up thousands of individual licenses for frequencies between 851-866 MHz.

A Brief History of Mobile Comms and Trunking

Public Safety systems are not operated for profit, and typically use a "high site" architecture, where a few base stations with power output in the 100-200 watt range are located on tall buildings and hill tops. This results in lower signal strength over a wide coverage area. Nextel and other ESMR systems use a "low site" or cellular type architecture, with many base stations installed on 1-3 story buildings and 30-50 ft monopoles to create high signal density and greater user capacity over their coverage area. These ESMR sites transmit continuously with ERP of as much as 1000 watts. The presence of these sites, and the RF energy they generate in close proximity to public safety operations, causes radios used by public safety to lose contact with their more distant base stations.

APCO Project 39

In the late 1990's, the FCC was forced to acknowledge that there was a problem. The number of interference complaints to public safety were rising, and the popularity of the ESMR services that were primarily blamed for the interference was also rising, with no end in sight. Something had to be done. The FCC solicited input from the various users groups to determine the best course of action. After many hearings, replies, counter-replies, and conferences, the FCC issued a Report and Order directing the "rebanding" of the 800 MHz spectrum. The result of rebanding will relocate NPSPAC, the contiguous block of frequencies reserved for Public Safety, and create a separate contiguous block reserved for high power ESMR operations, primarily Nextel.
When the 800 MHz band was originally created, two segments of the spectrum were set aside for Cellular Telephone (mobile and base). Public Safety was later assigned a block of frequencies, and "SMR" (community repeater), "ESMR" (Nextel), and public safety services were allowed on the remainder of frequencies. However, unlike in other bands where licensee types were allocated to contiguous blocks of frequencies, in the 800 MHz band Public Safety, SMR, and ESMR services were all mixed together. During the 1980's and 90's, Nextel created a nation-wide network by buying up thousands of individual licenses for frequencies between 851-866 MHz.

A Brief History of Mobile Comms and Trunking

Public Safety systems are not operated for profit, and typically use a "high site" architecture, where a few base stations with power output in the 100-200 watt range are located on tall buildings and hill tops. This results in lower signal strength over a wide coverage area. Nextel and other ESMR systems use a "low site" or cellular type architecture, with many base stations installed on 1-3 story buildings and 30-50 ft monopoles to create high signal density and greater user capacity over their coverage area. These ESMR sites transmit continuously with ERP of as much as 1000 watts. The presence of these sites, and the RF energy they generate in close proximity to public safety operations, causes radios used by public safety to lose contact with their more distant base stations.

APCO Project 39

In the late 1990's, the FCC was forced to acknowledge that there was a problem. The number of interference complaints to public safety were rising, and the popularity of the ESMR services that were primarily blamed for the interference was also rising, with no end in sight. Something had to be done. The FCC solicited input from the various users groups to determine the best course of action. After many hearings, replies, counter-replies, and conferences, the FCC issued a Report and Order directing the "rebanding" of the 800 MHz spectrum. The result of rebanding will relocate NPSPAC, the contiguous block of frequencies reserved for Public Safety, and create a separate contiguous block reserved for high power ESMR operations, primarily Nextel.

What does rebanding actually do?

(To keep it simple, only the output or base station side is described below. Since all 800 MHz channels are paired, the input or mobile side will be similarly reorganized as shown in the graphic.)

Before rebanding, Public Safety, Business/Industrial, SMR and ESMR's both operate in the 851-861 MHz range. ESMR has exclusive use of the 861-866 MHz range, and Public Safety has exclusive use of the 866-869 MHz range.

During rebanding the following will occur:
All licensees with channels between 866-869 MHz (NPSPAC) must relocate to equivalent channels between 851-854.
All licensees other than ESMRs with channels between 851-854 MHz must relocate to equivalent channels between 854-862.
Nextel and other ESMR operators must relinquish all channels below 862 MHz. The FCC has required Nextel to vacate all its channels in the band from 854-854.5 nationwide as soon as possible to provide additional spectrum for Public Safety needs.
Public Safety has exclusive access to all vacated Nextel channels for 3 years, after which they are open to all eligible users.

After rebanding, Public Safety and Critical Infrastructure will have exclusive use of 851-854 MHz. ESMR systems (primarily Nextel) will have exclusive use of 862-869 MHz range, and public safety, business/industrial users, and low-power SMR's will share the 854-862 MHz spectrum. 860-861 MHz is designated as an "Expansion Band", and 861-862 MHz is designated as a "Guard Band". No licensees other than ESMR are required to relocate to channels above 860 MHz.
 

dlr

New Member
Thanks

Argh. I wondered why my scanners, both in the shack and in the car, went dead a day or two ago.

I have two older PRO 97s that don't support a firmware update.

Can I still pick up chatter without following the trunk?

Thanks.
 

dgates80

Land of the lost
Argh. I wondered why my scanners, both in the shack and in the car, went dead a day or two ago.

I have two older PRO 97s that don't support a firmware update.

Can I still pick up chatter without following the trunk?

Thanks.

Sure -- you just won't have talk group ID decoding, and the calls will seem... random.

I am still working on getting the bad freqs "locked out" so my scanner hangs on some freqs once in a while. Still working on it.... while also cleaning gutters, getting the oil changed on the generator, food run, etc. etc. etc. Busy day!

-dgates
 

cgwife

New Member
Calvert County has implemented their communications system "rebanding" effort. This is a process that moves the county trunked "walky-talky" system to a different set of frequencies. This is due to an interference problem that was noted as occuring a number of years ago.

Rebanding - The RadioReference Wiki is a link to a comprehensive explanation of the issue, what scanners are affected, where to get scanner software updates (if available), which scanners WON'T need an update, etc. etc.

Here is a excerpt of the technical explanation of the situation:

When the 800 MHz band was originally created, two segments of the spectrum were set aside for Cellular Telephone (mobile and base). Public Safety was later assigned a block of frequencies, and "SMR" (community repeater), "ESMR" (Nextel), and public safety services were allowed on the remainder of frequencies. However, unlike in other bands where licensee types were allocated to contiguous blocks of frequencies, in the 800 MHz band Public Safety, SMR, and ESMR services were all mixed together. During the 1980's and 90's, Nextel created a nation-wide network by buying up thousands of individual licenses for frequencies between 851-866 MHz.

A Brief History of Mobile Comms and Trunking

Public Safety systems are not operated for profit, and typically use a "high site" architecture, where a few base stations with power output in the 100-200 watt range are located on tall buildings and hill tops. This results in lower signal strength over a wide coverage area. Nextel and other ESMR systems use a "low site" or cellular type architecture, with many base stations installed on 1-3 story buildings and 30-50 ft monopoles to create high signal density and greater user capacity over their coverage area. These ESMR sites transmit continuously with ERP of as much as 1000 watts. The presence of these sites, and the RF energy they generate in close proximity to public safety operations, causes radios used by public safety to lose contact with their more distant base stations.

APCO Project 39

In the late 1990's, the FCC was forced to acknowledge that there was a problem. The number of interference complaints to public safety were rising, and the popularity of the ESMR services that were primarily blamed for the interference was also rising, with no end in sight. Something had to be done. The FCC solicited input from the various users groups to determine the best course of action. After many hearings, replies, counter-replies, and conferences, the FCC issued a Report and Order directing the "rebanding" of the 800 MHz spectrum. The result of rebanding will relocate NPSPAC, the contiguous block of frequencies reserved for Public Safety, and create a separate contiguous block reserved for high power ESMR operations, primarily Nextel.
When the 800 MHz band was originally created, two segments of the spectrum were set aside for Cellular Telephone (mobile and base). Public Safety was later assigned a block of frequencies, and "SMR" (community repeater), "ESMR" (Nextel), and public safety services were allowed on the remainder of frequencies. However, unlike in other bands where licensee types were allocated to contiguous blocks of frequencies, in the 800 MHz band Public Safety, SMR, and ESMR services were all mixed together. During the 1980's and 90's, Nextel created a nation-wide network by buying up thousands of individual licenses for frequencies between 851-866 MHz.

A Brief History of Mobile Comms and Trunking

Public Safety systems are not operated for profit, and typically use a "high site" architecture, where a few base stations with power output in the 100-200 watt range are located on tall buildings and hill tops. This results in lower signal strength over a wide coverage area. Nextel and other ESMR systems use a "low site" or cellular type architecture, with many base stations installed on 1-3 story buildings and 30-50 ft monopoles to create high signal density and greater user capacity over their coverage area. These ESMR sites transmit continuously with ERP of as much as 1000 watts. The presence of these sites, and the RF energy they generate in close proximity to public safety operations, causes radios used by public safety to lose contact with their more distant base stations.

APCO Project 39

In the late 1990's, the FCC was forced to acknowledge that there was a problem. The number of interference complaints to public safety were rising, and the popularity of the ESMR services that were primarily blamed for the interference was also rising, with no end in sight. Something had to be done. The FCC solicited input from the various users groups to determine the best course of action. After many hearings, replies, counter-replies, and conferences, the FCC issued a Report and Order directing the "rebanding" of the 800 MHz spectrum. The result of rebanding will relocate NPSPAC, the contiguous block of frequencies reserved for Public Safety, and create a separate contiguous block reserved for high power ESMR operations, primarily Nextel.

What does rebanding actually do?

(To keep it simple, only the output or base station side is described below. Since all 800 MHz channels are paired, the input or mobile side will be similarly reorganized as shown in the graphic.)

Before rebanding, Public Safety, Business/Industrial, SMR and ESMR's both operate in the 851-861 MHz range. ESMR has exclusive use of the 861-866 MHz range, and Public Safety has exclusive use of the 866-869 MHz range.

During rebanding the following will occur:
All licensees with channels between 866-869 MHz (NPSPAC) must relocate to equivalent channels between 851-854.
All licensees other than ESMRs with channels between 851-854 MHz must relocate to equivalent channels between 854-862.
Nextel and other ESMR operators must relinquish all channels below 862 MHz. The FCC has required Nextel to vacate all its channels in the band from 854-854.5 nationwide as soon as possible to provide additional spectrum for Public Safety needs.
Public Safety has exclusive access to all vacated Nextel channels for 3 years, after which they are open to all eligible users.

After rebanding, Public Safety and Critical Infrastructure will have exclusive use of 851-854 MHz. ESMR systems (primarily Nextel) will have exclusive use of 862-869 MHz range, and public safety, business/industrial users, and low-power SMR's will share the 854-862 MHz spectrum. 860-861 MHz is designated as an "Expansion Band", and 861-862 MHz is designated as a "Guard Band". No licensees other than ESMR are required to relocate to channels above 860 MHz.

How do I know if my scanner will work correctly? HELP I am so confused. I am hearing scanner traffic now after adding in the new frequencies, however, not sure if I am hearing everything?? I KNOW you are super busy with your own stuff right now.....just whenever you get a chance to answer!!!! Thank you soooooooooo much.......I depend on my scanner, especially during storms!!!!
 

dlr

New Member
Yeah - a bit more random than before. I put all the frequencies in this afternoon and hear lots of traffic. Calvert isn't too active at the moment so most conversations can be followed. But, yeah, I miss the conversation flow of a few days ago.

Also - Has the paramedic/ems gone to a system that can't be followed? I'm not hearing any of those calls.

Thanks.
 

cgwife

New Member
If you here police calls you should be fine

I am hearing the police calls!!!! YAY!!!!! LOL.....I had to delete a couple of the frequencies though as they were nothing but static....not sure what I deleted? Hopefully the transportation buses...lol
 

rusty27

Beware of the dog
I am hearing the police calls!!!! YAY!!!!! LOL.....I had to delete a couple of the frequencies though as they were nothing but static....not sure what I deleted? Hopefully the transportation buses...lol

I also entered the codes in and can hear the police calls however I am picking up the jail as well. Am I supposed to be picking those up? I also havent been getting any medical calls as well. It seems as though everything is being picked up on those new frequencies. I have a PRO-95 scanner and is there anyway to seperate the fire/ems and police or am I just a little clueless right now?
 

cgwife

New Member
I also entered the codes in and can hear the police calls however I am picking up the jail as well. Am I supposed to be picking those up? I also havent been getting any medical calls as well. It seems as though everything is being picked up on those new frequencies. I have a PRO-95 scanner and is there anyway to seperate the fire/ems and police or am I just a little clueless right now?

I am not receiving medical calls either? Hmmmmmmm HELP
 

mdff21

Active Member
The frequencies are all the same for police, fire, public works, buses etc. In order to eliminate the unwanted chatter, you have to have the talk group id's
 

rusty27

Beware of the dog
The frequencies are all the same for police, fire, public works, buses etc. In order to eliminate the unwanted chatter, you have to have the talk group id's

Did the talk group ID's change? I have the old ones still locked in and they don't work it seems. Are they still MOT or did that change too? If the ID's did change does anyone know the new ones? Thanks in advance!
 

dgates80

Land of the lost
Did the talk group ID's change? I have the old ones still locked in and they don't work it seems. Are they still MOT or did that change too? If the ID's did change does anyone know the new ones? Thanks in advance!

I don't think the talk groups changed, but I am not sure... I totally reprogrammed my scanner with data from RadioReference.com (you'd need a subscription to get this data, $30 per year) which includes the talk group ID's. Calvert is still using the same Motorola trunking system.

-dgates
 

rusty27

Beware of the dog
I don't think the talk groups changed, but I am not sure... I totally reprogrammed my scanner with data from RadioReference.com (you'd need a subscription to get this data, $30 per year) which includes the talk group ID's. Calvert is still using the same Motorola trunking system.

-dgates

Ok.....I think I have got it figured out now....thanks for the help dgates :buddies:
 

RPMDAD

Well-Known Member
dgates80, again thanks for all the hard work you and FF do in keeping the Calvert scanner up. It is greatly appreciated. a great big :cheers: to you and FF
 

dgates80

Land of the lost
dgates80, again thanks for all the hard work you and FF do in keeping the Calvert scanner up. It is greatly appreciated. a great big :cheers: to you and FF

You're welcome! I have it working pretty good right now, I have added some stuff with the reprogramming. Hoping to pick up the SMECO dispatch calls, it's programmed, not sure if it is going to be interesting or usefull yet though.

-dg
 
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