Carter Says U.S tortures Prisoners

[MMDad]

...feel a jolt? This may work!

You had a great idea, but it isn't going to work. First, the power is very dirty, and requires too much filtering to be useful. Second, while the potential energy production is great, past experience shows that it will give up and quit when needed most.

Wouldn't it be great if the power of stupidity could be harnessed? Kind of like in Monsters, Inc., except instead of collecting screams we could hook machines up to mouth breathers.

 

[PsyOps]

...our energy problems!

Here's what we do; you and forestal take turns helping one another read post 60 and we'll hook cables up to your temples. The friction created by the sides of your brains competing between what it says and the effort you both put into not understanding what it says has got to generate heat and, viola, that energy goes down the cables and hooks to the grid and we got power!

Wow... this could sustain SOMD, if not the entire eastern seaboard, for a very long time.

 

[PsyOps]

You had a great idea, but it isn't going to work. First, the power is very dirty, and requires too much filtering to be useful. Second, while the potential energy production is great, past experience shows that it will give up and quit when needed most.

Wouldn't it be great if the power of stupidity could be harnessed? Kind of like in Monsters, Inc., except instead of collecting screams we could hook machines up to mouth breathers.

Yeah, not to mention the potential for viruses. This power is plugged into our comuters.

Man, and I thought it was a great idea.

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

Prisoners JPC, not some innocent bystanders. They are terrorists. They want you and I dead.

The difference is that people like you and Bush ask for it - and people like me that do not.

Therefore we have incompetant and immoral leadership that endangers the entire USA.

 

[PsyOps]

The difference is that people like you and Bush ask for it - and people like me that do not.

Therefore we have incompetant and immoral leadership that endangers the entire USA.

Asks for what JPC? You mean asks for things like the attack on 911, bombing on the USS Cole, US Embassies in Africa, Khobar Towers and the first WTC hit? What did we do to ask for that JPC? What incompetence led to those events?

Besides, whether you ask for it (whatever “it” is) or not, they still want you dead. They don’t care whether you asked for it ( ) or not.

 

[High EGT]

Thats who

Both former CIA chief George Tenet and former CIA official Michael Scheuer, once the head of the bin Laden unit, have said that coerced interrogation methods often provided accurate intelligence that potentially saved thousands of lives.

Example: Al-Qaeda leader Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Captured in Pakistan in 2003, U.S. authorities used tough methods, including "water boarding," to break Mohammed. According to reports, Mohammed gave up scores of al-Qaeda operatives and detailed a number of potential terror attacks.

 

[Larry Gude]

Stop that...

Both former CIA chief George Tenet and former CIA official Michael Scheuer, once the head of the bin Laden unit, have said that coerced interrogation methods often provided accurate intelligence that potentially saved thousands of lives.

Example: Al-Qaeda leader Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Captured in Pakistan in 2003, U.S. authorities used tough methods, including "water boarding," to break Mohammed. According to reports, Mohammed gave up scores of al-Qaeda operatives and detailed a number of potential terror attacks.

...stop that right now or my energy plan goes out the window!

STOP IT!!! Next thing you know, someone will suggest killing our enemies is a potentially viable method for defeating them.

 

[PsyOps]

Both former CIA chief George Tenet and former CIA official Michael Scheuer, once the head of the bin Laden unit, have said that coerced interrogation methods often provided accurate intelligence that potentially saved thousands of lives.

Example: Al-Qaeda leader Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Captured in Pakistan in 2003, U.S. authorities used tough methods, including "water boarding," to break Mohammed. According to reports, Mohammed gave up scores of al-Qaeda operatives and detailed a number of potential terror attacks.

LIES! You know as well I do that Forest and JPC have much more experience in this than Tenet (or any other CIA operative).

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

LIES! You know as well I do that Forest and JPC have much more experience in this than Tenet (or any other CIA operative).

It is not a question of experience.

It is a matter of ethics and morality and criminal law and having honor in war and things like that.

Those people having greater experience at torturing prisoners is not a virtue.

 

[Larry Gude]

No...

It is not a question of experience.

It is a matter of ethics and morality and criminal law and having honor in war and things like that.

Those people having greater experience at torturing prisoners is not a virtue.

...it's a question of winning and losing.

We, and the Russians, burned Germany damn near to the ground and killed and destroyed until she quit. Flat out, total war; citizen, soldier, tank and town, all valid targets.

We dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan and fire bombed their little wooden houses as much as we could, men, women, children, babies, pets, livestock, everything.

Intellectually, you know there will always be instances when an individual may well have a piece of information that we could use to save US lives.

Intellectually, you know that it can be tortured out of them given the right circumstances.

It all boils down to a question of whether or not one is willing to do any and everything in order to win and the US winning has put us in the position to worry over niceties after the fact.

If we win, we make the rules of peace. If they win, they make them.

You want Osama bin Laden or George Bush to make those rules?

 

[PsyOps]

It is not a question of experience.

It is a matter of ethics and morality and criminal law and having honor in war and things like that.

Those people having greater experience at torturing prisoners is not a virtue.

When you question what someone is doing, when you have absolutely no knowledge of it, it is a question of experience. You have none. You or forest has been unable to provide any specifics in practices, procedures, tactics, and results when it comes to interrogations. You only have your preconceived, media fed, fear-based, politically motivated conjectures.

 

[ylexot]

If we win, we make the rules of peace. If they win, they make them.

You want Osama bin Laden or George Bush to make those rules?

I'm willing to bet that JPC will choose OBL

 

[Larry Gude]

As long...

I'm willing to bet that JPC will choose OBL

...as he's honest, I can accept that.

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

...it's a question of winning and losing.

It all boils down to a question of whether or not one is willing to do any and everything in order to win and the US winning has put us in the position to worry over niceties after the fact.

There is no reason to believe that we can win at all because the opposition is based in ideals and moral claims.

The best hope of "winning" would be killing the leaders and then forcebly suppressing the rightful complaints against the injustices done by the USA.

Since we fight for an unjust cause and by wrong methods, then if the USA "wins" it will mean that the immorality of the infidel Country will have been successful.

The USA is in the wrong and so we might (and only might) have the power to force our win over a weaker opponent, but the USA will still be wrong and more-so wronger based on our dishonorable method of torturing prisoners.

If we win, we make the rules of peace. If they win, they make them.

You want Osama bin Laden or George Bush to make those rules?

Bin Laden has already offered peace terms to end the hostilities and Bush offers more injustices and Bush demands more war more violence more killings and more of his unreasonable deceptions.

So I deffinately do not want Bush to make the rules.

 

[Larry Gude]

Fair enough...

There is no reason to believe that we can win at all because the opposition is based in ideals and moral claims.

The best hope of "winning" would be killing the leaders and then forcebly suppressing the rightful complaints against the injustices done by the USA.

Since we fight for an unjust cause and by wrong methods, then if the USA "wins" it will mean that the immorality of the infidel Country will have been successful.

The USA is in the wrong and so we might (and only might) have the power to force our win over a weaker opponent, but the USA will still be wrong and more-so wronger based on our dishonorable method of torturing prisoners.
Bin Laden has already offered peace terms to end the hostilities and Bush offers more injustices and Bush demands more war more violence more killings and more of his unreasonable deceptions.

So I deffinately do not want Bush to make the rules.

...I respect that you have the courage to state as a matter of fact that you are on thir side. It should therefore be small matter for you to respect that I disagree and want us to kill them until they quit.

 

[Larry Gude]

You were...

I'm willing to bet that JPC will choose OBL

...right.

 

[This_person]

The best hope of "winning" would be killing the leaders.

You finally get it!

Bin Laden has already offered peace terms to end the hostilities

I remember his terms. I believe it was to act in the religious manner HE feels is correct, or he will continue to sit in a cave on a dialisis machine telling people to kill us. And, idiots will do it for him.

Good peace plan.

 

[PsyOps]

There is no reason to believe that we can win at all because the opposition is based in ideals and moral claims.

The best hope of "winning" would be killing the leaders and then forcebly suppressing the rightful complaints against the injustices done by the USA.

Since we fight for an unjust cause and by wrong methods, then if the USA "wins" it will mean that the immorality of the infidel Country will have been successful.

The USA is in the wrong and so we might (and only might) have the power to force our win over a weaker opponent, but the USA will still be wrong and more-so wronger based on our dishonorable method of torturing prisoners.

Let me ask you something… Do you believe that torture is the primary method used by our interrogators?

Bin Laden has already offered peace terms to end the hostilities and Bush offers more injustices and Bush demands more war more violence more killings and more of his unreasonable deceptions.

Yup… that was when he commanded his little sheep to fly those planes into our buildings killing 3000 innocent people. That was some offer of peace.

 

[MMDad]

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Intellectually, you know .....

Intellectually, you know that ....

Sometimes it's hard to tell when you are being funny, but I got this one. Hilarious! Intellectually?

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

Let me ask you something… Do you believe that torture is the primary method used by our interrogators?

It is irrelivant if torture is foremost or secondary or last resort because it is morally disgusting no matter how you pretty it up.

Yup… that was when he commanded his little sheep to fly those planes into our buildings killing 3000 innocent people. That was some offer of peace.

It appears that violent attacks are the only effective means of communicating with immoral infidels.

And it is still working to this day.