Carter Says U.S tortures Prisoners

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

Were we making peace during the Clinton years? If so, how do you explain all the attacks al Qaeda launched against us during the 90s? What were we lacking in measures of peace that led to 911?

The last and posibly only real peace efforts from the USA was under President Jimmy Carter (1977-81) link HERE.

And do we need to pull out of the "Islamic Holy lands" because the Islamic extremist say so? Seems to me the countries... errr... Holy Lands we are in are at the approval of those country's leaders. So who decides here JPC, those that run those countries or the extremists that want to dictate world policy through their terrorism?

The USA needs to pull out our military from all the Islamic Holy lands because it is the right thing to do.

Not because the extremist threaten but because the USA is morally, ethically and religiously wrong for being there.

The other Country's leaders are not at liberty to tell the USA to leave and many act like puppet governments that only bow the dictates of the USA and its money backed by USA force of arms.

So, you demand that the US observe the Geneva Conventions while never mentioning that the terrorists should do the same. Your one-sided view of how we obtain peace will only result in us cowering in a corner and watch the terrorists keep coming at us. After the 90s you still don't have that in your head.

The Geneva Convention is not based in cowardice but in moral strength.

The USA breaking the Geneva Convention is an act of extreme weakness and depravity on our part.

Since the "terrorist" are not considered as "combatants" then they are only criminals and must be treated as individuals and not as an enemy army so they must be legally subject to criminal law and not torture which is inhumane no matter what reason it is done or whomever it is done to.

The fact that "terrorist / criminals" do not comply with the Geneva Convention is that the law applies to soveriegn Countries like the USA.

Like Jeffery Domler and other preditor criminals here in the USA link and everywhere in the whole world too and we do not torture criminals.

Cruel and unusual punishment is just wrong and violating that doctrine makes the USA into an oppressive tyrant of a Country.

Perhaps many Americans are so pampered and spoiled that they do not understand what physical pain really consist of in mistreating prisoners.

If they show the pics to the public with graphic detail and let the public hear the cries of pain then the perception would change.

It is like eating a hamburger but do not want to discuss where the beef came from, and pleading abortions but do not want to look at the dead baby cut to pieces, and wanting torture but can not face the horrible reality of it.

 

[PsyOps]

The last and posibly only real peace efforts from the USA was under President Jimmy Carter (1977-81) link HERE. The USA needs to pull out our military from all the Islamic Holy lands because it is the right thing to do.

Not because the extremist threaten but because the USA is morally, ethically and religiously wrong for being there.

The other Country's leaders are not at liberty to tell the USA to leave and many act like puppet governments that only bow the dictates of the USA and its money backed by USA force of arms. The Geneva Convention is not based in cowardice but in moral strength.

The USA breaking the Geneva Convention is an act of extreme weakness and depravity on our part.

Since the "terrorist" are not considered as "combatants" then they are only criminals and must be treated as individuals and not as an enemy army so they must be legally subject to criminal law and not torture which is inhumane no matter what reason it is done or whomever it is done to.

The fact that "terrorist / criminals" do not comply with the Geneva Convention is that the law applies to soveriegn Countries like the USA.

Like Jeffery Domler and other preditor criminals here in the USA link and everywhere in the whole world too and we do not torture criminals.

Cruel and unusual punishment is just wrong and violating that doctrine makes the USA into an oppressive tyrant of a Country.

Perhaps many Americans are so pampered and spoiled that they do not understand what physical pain really consist of in mistreating prisoners.

If they show the pics to the public with graphic detail and let the public hear the cries of pain then the perception would change.

It is like eating a hamburger but do not want to discuss where the beef came from, and pleading abortions but do not want to look at the dead baby cut to pieces, and wanting torture but can not face the horrible reality of it.

You're not worth debating and I'm done with you.

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

You're not worth debating and I'm done with you.

I recommend that you stick with those other posters and other threads.

That way when you say and post your mean and vulgar comments then they will keep cheering you on.

But for me there is no functioning debate from others against my righteous positions.

 

[PsyOps]

I recommend that you stick with those other posters and other threads.

That way when you say and post your mean and vulgar comments then they will keep cheering you on.

But for me there is no functioning debate from others against my righteous positions.

 

[This_person]

Delusions of grandeur, eh?

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

But for me there is no functioning debate from others against my righteous positions.

I got so much nasty red karma from this quote above that I feel I now need to clarify it.

It is my righteous position against un-righteous positions because :

Others are saying to torture human beings and I am saying to have empathy and civility and to give justice,

so mine is promoting a righteous position against the violent demands.

The same with abortion with me calling to love all babies and their parents while others denegrade both the parents and the unborn,

so again mine is promoting a righteous position against the violent demands.

With child support I say to obey the command of thou shalt not steal while others argue some superior claim that allows them to steal,

so mine is promoting a righteous position against the unjust demands.

I promote stopping the foreign wars and others push for more violence and more wars,

so mine is promoting a righteous position against the violent demands.

So I say that I have righteous positions here and the sinful positions simply can not stand.

 

[This_person]

I got so much nasty red karma from this quote above that I feel I now need to clarify it.

It is my righteous position against un-righteous positions because :

Others are saying to torture human beings and I am saying to have empathy and civility and to give justice,

so mine is promoting a righteous position against the violent demands.

The same with abortion with me calling to love all babies and their parents while others denegrade both the parents and the unborn,

so again mine is promoting a righteous position against the violent demands.

With child support I say to obey the command of thou shalt not steal while others argue some superior claim that allows them to steal,

so mine is promoting a righteous position against the unjust demands.

I promote stopping the foreign wars and others push for more violence and more wars,

so mine is promoting a righteous position against the violent demands.

So I say that I have righteous positions here and the sinful positions simply can not stand.

I thought your position was that there are no right or wrong actions or people, that we are all saved in the end no matter what we do or think? By your belief, all you say above is meaningless.

 

[PsyOps]

Delusions of grandeur, eh?

It's impossible to discuss with the impossible.

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

I thought your position was that there are no right or wrong actions or people, that we are all saved in the end no matter what we do or think? By your belief, all you say above is meaningless.

What I have said is that the concept of judging people or actions or things as "good or bad" is from the original sin and it is still disfunctional to do it.

You may continue with it but I do it not.

So the "good and bad" mis-judging is far different than the correct judging of "right from wrong".

The fact that everybody gets saved after death has nothing to do with the needs and the requirements of now in the present lifetime.

All this is meaningful to me but if you find it meaningless then so be it for you.

 

[This_person]

It's impossible to discuss with the impossible.

And, he proves your point with the post between this one and yours!

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

CNN.com

The United States tortures prisoners in violation of international law, former President Carter said Wednesday.

"I don't think it. I know it," Carter told CNN's Wolf Blitzer.

"Our country for the first time in my life time has abandoned the basic principle of human rights," Carter said. "We've said that the Geneva Conventions do not apply to those people in Abu Ghraib prison and Guantanamo, and we've said we can torture prisoners and deprive them of an accusation of a crime to which they are accused."

Carter also said President Bush creates his own definition of human rights.

Carter's comments come on the heels of an October 4 article in The New York Times disclosing the existence of secret Justice Department memorandums supporting the use of "harsh interrogation techniques." These include "head-slapping, simulated drowning and frigid temperatures," according to the Times.

The White House last week confirmed the existence of the documents but would not make them public.

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History will surely show Jimmy Carter as the most enlightened President and exPresident of the twentieth Century.

 

[Ken King]

History will surely show Jimmy Carter as the most enlightened President and exPresident of the twentieth Century.

Well I'm willing to bet that the 66 hostages taken in Iran in November 1979 would view Carter's Presidency somewhat differently just as I and millions of others do.

 

[BuffaloBill]

Well I'm willing to bet that the 66 hostages taken in Iran in November 1979 would view Carter's Presidency somewhat differently just as I and millions of others do.

That was such a waste to even respond too...I got a big grin and laughed out loud when I read it.

 

[Ken King]

That was such a waste to even respond too...I got a big grin and laughed out loud when I read it.

Well I was hoping to get JPC to slip away to do a little research into what I was talking about thus vacating the site for a while.

 

[BuffaloBill]

Well I was hoping to get JPC to slip away to do a little research into what I was talking about thus vacating the site for a while.

What's funny too they did name a Ship after him...a sinking one..A submarine..yes he was a "Bubble Head", Reagan, Bush and even Ford(new class) got Carriers in their Honor.

 

[Ken King]

What's funny too they did name a Ship after him...a sinking one..A submarine..yes he was a "Bubble Head", Reagan, Bush and even Ford(new class) got Carriers in their Honor.

Yep, pretty much b!tch-slapped him with that one.

 

[BuffaloBill]

Yep, pretty much b!tch-slapped him with that one.

He was Submariner thou.

 

[Ken King]

He was Submariner thou.

And his brother had his very own beer brand.

 

[Severa]

He was Submariner thou.

PLEASE don't remind us. Carter was a 'nuke'. My husband said in his Navy time that most nukes were seen to have all the book sense in the world but no common sense whatsoever. (Rickover was an exception to this rule. That man, while a fireball to work with, was a genius)

 

[BuffaloBill]

And his brother had his very own beer brand.

God bless Billy