Carter Says U.S tortures Prisoners

[vraiblonde]

History will surely show Jimmy Carter as the most enlightened President and exPresident of the twentieth Century.

Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what will happen, considering history is so kind to him now.



He should've stuck with Habitat for Humanity and left the foreign policy to the grownups.

 

[Larry Gude]

See...

PLEASE don't remind us. Carter was a 'nuke'. My husband said in his Navy time that most nukes were seen to have all the book sense in the world but no common sense whatsoever. (Rickover was an exception to this rule. That man, while a fireball to work with, was a genius)

...I always found that interesting; the guy has a degree in physics and was on nuclear boats and was working to command one and his energy policy as POTUS was...to wear a sweater and turn down the heat.

Does anyone know why he did not push reactors as President?

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

Well I'm willing to bet that the 66 hostages taken in Iran in November 1979 would view Carter's Presidency somewhat differently just as I and millions of others do.

I would say the 66 hostages would be thankful that President Carter kept them alive.

And that one hostage incident is far from defining the Carter Presidency and certainly not his productive post-Presidency.

Carter was the only President to bring a true and effective peace treaty to the Holy lands.

Compare Carter to Reagan and Reagan dared to destroy the whole world with nuclear weapons and only stopped by the peaceful actions of the USSR, and Reagan creating the super sized national debt that each Republican has followed Reagan's example of uncontroled excessive spending. And the two Bush Presedents that follow the Reagan example of war mongering too.

President Carter was and still is the most morally sound President the USA has ever had, and now Carter coming out against the torture of prisoners under the Bush administration shows that Carter is still trying to bring some decency to our USA gov.

 

[This_person]

I would say the 66 hostages would be thankful that President Carter kept them alive.

I'm sure they've been interviewed since returning (thanks to Reagan). Do you have a link to an interview with them that suggests this is true, or are you just spouting crap again?

And that one hostage incident is far from defining the Carter Presidency.

Nope, the rampant inflation does more, but it's a pretty close second.

Carter was the only President to bring a true and effective peace treaty to the Holy lands.

So, it's peaceful there now? Oh, wait, no, it's not. I guess he didn't bring a true nor effective peace treaty at all, it's just you spouting more untrue crap.

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

Do you have a link to an interview with them that suggests this is true, or are you just spouting crap again?

A link is not necessary for mine because if the 66 are not thankful to President Carter for saving their lives then they would be ungrateful and that is not worth exposing, and I do not expect it to be true either.

The burden of a link is yours in your make-believe claim.

So, it's peaceful there now? Oh, wait, no, it's not. I guess he didn't bring a true nor effective peace treaty at all,

If the USA had followed the Carter peace innitiatives then the Holy Lands might well be settled by now.

But Reagan made a mess of all the advances and the two Bush Presidents made a greater mess of everything.

The Carter administration shows Carter as an enlightened President.

Carter was not perfect as he had some mistakes and problems but not like the ignorant war mongering policies of the following Republican Presidents.

 

[Ken King]

I would say the 66 hostages would be thankful that President Carter kept them alive.

Carter came close to having them all killed when he half-ass orchestrated that lame attempt of a rescue that cost several servicemen their lives. I have specific knowledge of his lameness and the way he had that mission thrown together haphazardly but cannot speak of it yet for reasons you would never comprehend.

And that one hostage incident is far from defining the Carter Presidency and certainly not his productive post-Presidency.

As mentioned besides Habitat for Humanity what productivity do you speak of?

Carter was the only President to bring a true and effective peace treaty to the Holy lands.

What peace do you speak of? Be as specific as possible.

Compare Carter to Reagan and Reagan dared to destroy the whole world with nuclear weapons and only stopped by the peaceful actions of the USSR, and Reagan creating the super sized national debt that each Republican has followed Reagan's example of uncontroled excessive spending. And the two Bush Presedents that follow the Reagan example of war mongering too.

This is pure bull and if you don't know it you should go back to drinking and fathering children that you can then abandon.

President Carter was and still is the most morally sound President the USA has ever had, and now Carter coming out against the torture of prisoners under the Bush administration shows that Carter is still trying to bring some decency to our USA gov.

Morally sound, what the hell is that? I bet next you will say that Clinton is of equal moral fiber.

 

[This_person]

A link is not necessary for mine because if the 66 are not thankful to President Carter for saving their lives then they would be ungrateful and that is not worth exposing, and I do not expect it to be true either.

The burden of a link is yours in your make-believe claim.

I made no claim, I disputed yours. You demonstrated you were guessing and unable to back up your words.




Again.

If the USA had followed the Carter peace innitiatives then the Holy Lands might well be settled by now.

Since they're not our lands, what, specifically, was done to hurt Carter's peace initiatives? Or, are you just making stuff up?



Again.

But Reagan made a mess of all the advances and the two Bush Presidents made a greater mess of everything.

What actions are you specifically describing?

 

[Larry Gude]

I feel...

...tortured by Jimmy Carter every time he certifies an election in some God forsaken country run by thugs that turn out to be considered fraudulent by everybody else.

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

Carter came close to having them all killed when he half-ass orchestrated that lame attempt of a rescue that cost several servicemen their lives. I have specific knowledge of his lameness and the way he had that mission thrown together haphazardly but cannot speak of it yet for reasons you would never comprehend.

It was a military operation and the military screw it up.

The wrong type helicopter crashing in the Iranian desert is a military blunder and President Carter was in Washington.

If KK has some secret info that blames the President of the USA for a military blunder on the other side of the earth,

then KK is wise for keeping that secret indeed because only a jerk would believe it.

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

I feel ...

...tortured by Jimmy Carter every time he certifies an election in some God forsaken country run by thugs that turn out to be considered fraudulent by everybody else.

I have never heard of that ever happening.

President Carter and his election supervision group are considered the defining experts in the field.

Where did Carter certify any election that "everybody" considered as "fraudulent"?

I do not believe so.

 

[Larry Gude]

Huh...

I have never heard of that ever happening.

President Carter and his election supervision group are considered the defining experts in the field.

Where did Carter certify any election that "everybody" considered as "fraudulent"?

I do not believe so.

...I'm feeling tortured again.

 

[Ken King]

It was a military operation and the military screw it up.

The wrong type helicopter crashing in the Iranian desert is a military blunder and President Carter was in Washington.

If KK has some secret info that blames the President of the USA for a military blunder on the other side of the earth,

then KK is wise for keeping that secret indeed because only a jerk would believe it.

You are the jerk and the fabricator of fantasy. I know what happened and how things "flowed/were pushed". The knowledge I hold is still subject to time constraints of several security classification guides and I will not speak of any further detail of this Presidential failure than what I have until such time as I might be free to do so. All of this I am sure a weasel like you would never comprehend.

So go on and make your ludicrous claims of just how great the weakest President of our times is. Your idiocy expands exponentially every day. You soon may claim your spot in Guinness as the most stupid human to ever live.

By the way Jimmy, where were you serving when all of this was going on?

 

[LillyWhite]

I have never heard of that ever happening.

President Carter and his election supervision group are considered the defining experts in the field.

Where did Carter certify any election that "everybody" considered as "fraudulent"?

I do not believe so.

The EU report also said former U.S. President Carter, who led a team of 50 election observers, undermined the electoral process and EU criticism with "his premature blessing of the elections and early positive assessment of the results."

Unless there is a "drastic reverse toward good democratic practice" the observer team and EU "will have to publicly denounce the situation."

"Otherwise, the EU jointly with ex-President Carter will be held largely responsible for the lack of transparency, and assumed rigging, of the elections." LINK

 

[LillyWhite]

I have never heard of that ever happening.

President Carter and his election supervision group are considered the defining experts in the field.

Where did Carter certify any election that "everybody" considered as "fraudulent"?

I do not believe so.

Even EU Wouldn't Accept Venezuela's Election

Venezuela's recent recall election, monitored by former President Jimmy Carter, was so rigged in advance in favor of President Hugo Chavez that the European Union (EU) refused to play an observer's role.

A Wall Street Journal op-ed also claimed that Jimmy Carter's "complicity in the prevention of a reliable vote count was a betrayal of Venezuelan democracy."

As for the EU, they warned that the election rules for observers were so absurd, that although they wanted to play such a rule they declined in the interest of honesty. "Unfortunately, it has not been possible to secure with the Venezuelan electoral authorities the conditions to carry out an observation in line with the Union's standard methodology," the Journal reported.


Among the restraints imposed was the fact that observers were not to be allowed to independently audit the entire vote, and both the number of observers and their freedom of movement was to be restricted. LINK​

 

[Pete]

You know, I care so little about what Carter says I have not looked at this thread since I cracked a joke in it on its first day, even though it has hung out on the front page all the time.

yea me!

 

[Mikeinsmd]

By the way Jimmy, where were you serving when all of this was going on?

SMCDC

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

LINK

I see you are trying to bail out "LG" with this claim and I admire that,

but that link is just a cry-baby site that lost the election.

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

LINK

I see you are again trying to bail out "LG" with this second claim and I admire that,

but that link is just another cry-baby site that lost the election.

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

You are the jerk and the fabricator of fantasy. I know what happened and how things "flowed/were pushed". The knowledge I hold is still subject to time constraints of several security classification guides and I will not speak of any further detail of this Presidential failure than what I have until such time as I might be free to do so. All of this I am sure a weasel like you would never comprehend.

So go on and make your ludicrous claims of just how great the weakest President of our times is. Your idiocy expands exponentially every day. You soon may claim your spot in Guinness as the most stupid human to ever live.

A link to the failed attempt to rescue the "53" hostages from Iran in 1980 link HERE.

Now "KK" can keep claiming his secret info why the President of the USA caused the American aircraft to crash and fail in the desert of Iran,

but it was a failed military operation that is unjustly blamed on the President that ordered it.

By the way Jimmy, where were you serving when all of this was going on?

I was around here at that time and I remember the Carter and Reagan years with much clarity.

Now I intend to serve in the US Congress for MD 5th District.

 

[Ken King]

A link to the failed attempt to rescue the "53" hostages from Iran in 1980 link HERE.

Now "KK" can keep claiming his secret info why the President of the USA caused the American aircraft to crash and fail in the desert of Iran,

but it was a failed military operation that is unjustly blamed on the President that ordered it. I was around here at that time and I remember the Carter and Reagan years with much clarity.

Now I intend to serve in the US Congress for MD 5th District.

Yep Jimmyboy, wikipedia is the ultimate source for complete and accurate information. I will say that it does provide some conjecture as to what I know but it is far from the full and complete accounting of the events leading up to the "accident". The failure started long before the accident took place.

Jimmy you say you remember those years with clarity, that's right, that is about when you abandonded your wife and child leaving them to fend for themselves. I'm glad that haunts you.