Cavalier KC/Toy Spaniel available

[DeeCee]

Ad 38287 in the Pets & Animals section.

Zippy is an 18 month old Cavalier KC/toy spaniel cross and weighs about 12 lbs. She is very loving, has a soft temperament and is crate trained. She's also super with kids and is a happy, beautiful little dog who loves to go for car rides or just sit in your lap at home. She loves all people young or old.

And before anyone asks, I'm not "getting rid" of her, I was told she was a pure bred Cavalier when I purchased her and as she grows it becomes apparant who her parents are based on her conformation and small size. Her mother is a purebred Cavalier, her father is the cute little tri-colored Toy Spaniel her "breeder" has running around (confirmed by said "breeder" as a definate possibility ). So we're letting her go to a lucky family for a tiny fraction of what i paid for her.

 

[pixiegirl]

 

[Pete]

Oh no

 

[DeeCee]

Oh no

NOT happenin' I'll go Premo and delete the whole thread first

It is what it is.
She's a sweetie, and I'd like to find a nice family for her.

 

[TurboK9]

Ad 38287 in the Pets & Animals section.

Zippy is an 18 month old Cavalier KC/toy spaniel cross and weighs about 12 lbs. She is very loving, has a soft temperament and is crate trained. She's also super with kids and is a happy, beautiful little dog who loves to go for car rides or just sit in your lap at home. She loves all people young or old.

And before anyone asks, I'm not "getting rid" of her, I was told she was a pure bred Cavalier when I purchased her and as she grows it becomes apparant who her parents are based on her conformation and small size. Her mother is a purebred Cavalier, her father is the cute little tri-colored Toy Spaniel her "breeder" has running around (confirmed by said "breeder" as a definate possibility ). So we're letting her go to a lucky family for a tiny fraction of what i paid for her.

I hope she wasn't sold w/ AKC / UKC papers. Report the breeder and they loose their membership and breeding priviledges.

I wonder if the owner has tried contacting the breeder and asking for a replacement?

edit: Oh wait Deecee is the owner. Thought they were reposting from the classifieds.

 

[DeeCee]

Yes said puppers is registered. I contacted the breeder and confirmed the 'possible' parentage. She says she'll refund "when she has it" :shrug: nothing more i want to do about it on that end, it wasn't malicious - it happens I suppose. They call them "accidents" for a reason.

She's a nice little dog, just not what I wanted or expected. Great for a pet, healthy and happy. I just couldn't add her to the breeding program knowing what i know.

 

[cattitude]

 

[PrepH4U]

Yes said puppers is registered. I contacted the breeder and confirmed the 'possible' parentage. She says she'll refund "when she has it" :shrug: nothing more i want to do about it on that end, it wasn't malicious - it happens I suppose. They call them "accidents" for a reason.

She's a nice little dog, just not what I wanted or expected. Great for a pet, healthy and happy. I just couldn't add her to the breeding program knowing what i know.

Was the pupppy from the amish? :shrug:

 

[TurboK9]

Yes said puppers is registered. I contacted the breeder and confirmed the 'possible' parentage. She says she'll refund "when she has it" :shrug: nothing more i want to do about it on that end, it wasn't malicious - it happens I suppose. They call them "accidents" for a reason.

She's a nice little dog, just not what I wanted or expected. Great for a pet, healthy and happy. I just couldn't add her to the breeding program knowing what i know.

:shrug: Doesn't have to be malicious... If the AKC finds out she's got an intact male running freely of a differeing breed, she's out, period. That itself makes it a 'negligience'.

I've know breeders who had their AKC status revoked becuase they were doing RESCUE. Just the possibility of it happening is enough to draw a look... and it's why AKC is trusted. :shrug:

Not saying you should report... just saying, it isn't an 'accident' if she isn't on top of things 100%, breeding goes beyong 'ownership' as far as expectations of responsible behavior.

And for you for recognizing you can't breed her. Too many people would just because she's 'cute', or should I say .

No flak from me, if I spent big $$ for a working quality pup that turned out to be deaf and lame, or 1/2 Dobe 1/2 beagle lmao I'd be replacing too.

I'd report it, not to be mean, but because that is what gives a registry credibility. But that's me.

 

[DeeCee]

Was the pupppy from the amish? :shrug:

Nope, shes not barefoot and preggers either
Don't think the Amish sell CKCs or Toy Spaniels. Too pricey and not readily available.

Cat, I know better but RC thought she'd make a great bday gift at the time.

 

[vraiblonde]

If she's a great dog why are you getting rid of her? Just because she's not purebred?

That's a real question, not a knock on you and I don't want to start chit about it. Just curious.

 

[DeeCee]

If she's a great dog why are you getting rid of her? Just because she's not purebred?

That's a real question, not a knock on you and I don't want to start chit about it. Just curious.

I'm a breeder and she's not breeding quality. I have to make choices about what stays and what goes. If i don't i become a collector or animal hoarder or what ever people call it.

 

[vraiblonde]

I'm a breeder and she's not breeding quality.

Okay, I see. I thought maybe she was just a family pet or something, I didn't know you were a breeder. Good luck finding her a new home - shouldn't be too difficult because she sounds like a nice dog!

 

[DeeCee]

Okay, I see. I thought maybe she was just a family pet or something, I didn't know you were a breeder. Good luck finding her a new home - shouldn't be too difficult because she sounds like a nice dog!

Guess that wasn't clear in my original post, I'm not so good at marketing Sawry.

FWIW I have 3 females and one male (will be 2 females when Zip goes), and have purchased another puppy (will be 3 when she comes home), and they are all our family pets in addition to breeding dogs.

 

[PrepH4U]

Guess that wasn't clear in my original post, I'm not so good at marketing Sawry.

FWIW I have 3 females and one male (will be 2 females when Zip goes), and have purchased another puppy (will be 3 when she comes home), and they are all our family pets in addition to breeding dogs.

So you are breeding for show quality or breed inhancement? I think the Cavaliers are such cute little dogs how are their personailities? Are they energy levels more along the lines of terriers or couch potatoes?

 

[DeeCee]

I don't show the Cavs, I co-breed them with my (adult) daughter (I'm actually the ATM really for her ). We breed family pets that are health cleared (heart/eyes) by respective specialists and true to type. This little girl turned out not to be breeding quality so even though she did pass her health clearances she was placed in a pet home and will live a wonderfully perfect life. I've made it clear that she can still come back to me if she doesn't work out, but so far, so good.

Having shown another breed for 30 years, I speak from experience. I don't sell pups as "show quality" because someone buying a show quality animal will bring it back for a replacement if they decide they don't "like" it at any point in time. It's not about the dog, its about the competition. FWIW I did't say I don't BREED show quality, I said I don't SELL pups as "show quality". Ie I don't sell to show homes.

I prefer to sell to pet families who love their pet, and if it turns out phenominal, GREAT! We have champions all over the country this way. And even next generation from my stuff (the other breed) is winning at specialties. The regional specialty was taken by a storm by the son out of one of my home bred champion females May 2010 finishing his championship in style with 3 majors in 3 shows, and ending with the regional specialty just like his mother before him, so I know type and how to breed for it. I don't have to show it to know it.

Anyway, Cavs are energetic and fun, but not terrier like at all. They're much softer and sweeter than most terriers, but they have lots of play in them. They also look like puppies their entire lives and are a great 'first dog' and 'for kids' breed. They are very patient and kind, and still have the energy to keep up with little kids. We love 'em! Here are my bleneheims Dolly and Harrison. PS Harrison is 6 and Dolly is 4 and both are still going strong! Cavaliers are notoriously short lived unfortunately.

 

[frequentflier]

I don't show the Cavs, I co-breed them with my (adult) daughter (I'm actually the ATM really for her ). We breed family pets that are health cleared (heart/eyes) by respective specialists and true to type. This little girl turned out not to be breeding quality so even though she did pass her health clearances she was placed in a pet home and will live a wonderfully perfect life. I've made it clear that she can still come back to me if she doesn't work out, but so far, so good.

Having shown another breed for 30 years, I speak from experience. I don't sell pups as "show quality" because someone buying a show quality animal will bring it back for a replacement if they decide they don't "like" it at any point in time. It's not about the dog, its about the competition. FWIW I did't say I don't BREED show quality, I said I don't SELL pups as "show quality". Ie I don't sell to show homes.

I prefer to sell to pet families who love their pet, and if it turns out phenominal, GREAT! We have champions all over the country this way. And even next generation from my stuff (the other breed) is winning at specialties. The regional specialty was taken by a storm by the son out of one of my home bred champion females May 2010 finishing his championship in style with 3 majors in 3 shows, and ending with the regional specialty just like his mother before him, so I know type and how to breed for it. I don't have to show it to know it.

Anyway, Cavs are energetic and fun, but not terrier like at all. They're much softer and sweeter than most terriers, but they have lots of play in them. They also look like puppies their entire lives and are a great 'first dog' and 'for kids' breed. They are very patient and kind, and still have the energy to keep up with little kids. We love 'em! Here are my bleneheims Dolly and Harrison. PS Harrison is 6 and Dolly is 4 and both are still going strong! Cavaliers are notoriously short lived unfortunately.

We adopted what we believe to be a Cavalier mix a couple years ago. He is such a sweet boy. Very sensitive; gets his feelings hurt easily! He was not treated well by people before us and is still shows at times.
I am curious why they have a short life span?

 

[DeeCee]

Because the gene pool is very limited due to overzealous protection of the bloodlines (financial greed?). This has concentrated things like serious heart conditions which kill them young, usually prior to age 5. If they make it to age 5, it's generally smooth sailing from there and they'll live a long life. It is said that ALL cavaliers have a heart defect of some kind. I can't say that has been my experience, we haven't had one yet, however, our 2 foundation boys (one bleneheim - one black and tan) originate from the UK, which may make a difference, I don't know.

Hybrid vigor is on your side if your puppers is a cross. I've actually been considering outcrossing to another breed for that reason, but can't decide on which one. I want to keep the same physical traits and temperament and can't seem to find one which meets that criteria. The only two crosses that i even remotely like are the maltese, because they are white and have a sort of similar head shape, but they are quite small which brings it's own set of problems and the shih tszu, and they also have heart and eye problems. So we haven't done any hybrids yet and may not unless someone wants to breed their female with one of our boys and we take a pup out of it to see how they look and how the health clearances and temperament go.

PS if your boy is very sensitive, he may be a toy spaniel crossed with a Cavalier? They are often born with that type of temperament, since toy spaniels are like that. Cavaliers are not. They are wag, wag, wag, wag, happy, happy, happy all the time. Thats what i love about them. This is our black and tan boy.

 

[Pasofever]

I'm a breeder and she's not breeding quality. I have to make choices about what stays and what goes. If i don't i become a collector or animal hoarder or what ever people call it.

I think we already are I thought I lost my pig this am..he did not meet me at the house for breakfast and I made blackberry crapes went to the barn he was not in his pig house..I paniced. I started cleaning stalls and wondered where he was I called out Wee Wee...I heard grunt grunt from the back of the barn he must have headed out for a dump or something lol..I was so happy to see that dirty "little face"