cwo_ghwebb
No Use for Donk Twits
Scary! These folks are as bad as those Islamofascists.
American Thinker: Hawaii Government Demands Cartoon be Censored
American Thinker: Hawaii Government Demands Cartoon be Censored
Censorship from the Hawaiian Government?
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I lived in Hawaii a while ago and one of the things that disturbed me was the socalled Aloha or Ohana spirit. Seemed as long as you had money or were someone "big" in the islands, then you were someone. however, if a you were either a haole, pake, portagee or something non-native, then you were hell in a handbasket.
Hawaii is not anything like the tourist brochures or commercials would like you to think. They are extremely provincial in their thinking and if you are an outsider, then forget about getting a decent job . Thank God I had the GI Bill to help me finish college and a small stipend to assist me in living, but once I finished college, I got back to the mainland. If you think people can be small minded her, you aint seen nothing yet.
So it doesn't surprise me to read the article.
Hawaii is not anything like the tourist brochures or commercials would like you to think. They are extremely provincial in their thinking and if you are an outsider, then forget about getting a decent job . Thank God I had the GI Bill to help me finish college and a small stipend to assist me in living, but once I finished college, I got back to the mainland. If you think people can be small minded her, you aint seen nothing yet.
So it doesn't surprise me to read the article.
PJumper
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I love Hawaii. Its government is like that of a third-world countries but you have all the western amenities. If you ain't somebody's niece or nephew, you ain't gonna find a decent job in the private sector. You'll be okay if you're hired from CONUS to work govt, then you get the 25% COLA on top of your base pay. You just need to stay there for awhile, act as a Kama'aina (local) then you'll enjoy the place.
Hi PJ
Of course you are right... I am being remiss...as long as you stayed away from Honolulu or Lahaina, one did run into the real Hawaiians who treated you as a fellow human being.
I was just reacting to the idiocy of these people who think they still have a monarchy that can stifle some of the freedoms that I and probably you fought for.
On a friendlier tack...where does one get decent sushi around here?
Of course you are right... I am being remiss...as long as you stayed away from Honolulu or Lahaina, one did run into the real Hawaiians who treated you as a fellow human being.
I was just reacting to the idiocy of these people who think they still have a monarchy that can stifle some of the freedoms that I and probably you fought for.
On a friendlier tack...where does one get decent sushi around here?
PJumper
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Woodburn's on Solomons Island for decent Sushi/California rolls or Asahi in San Souci for that "almost" traditional Japanese dining.
Thanks !
cwo_ghwebb
No Use for Donk Twits
I was stationed there for six and a half years. Hated the place. Thank gosh I was deployed most the time. But since my kids are hapa-haoles, and their Mom lives there, I gotta make the trip every so often. The ole saying went, "If you're white, don't go into any town that starts with a 'W' after dark."
The problem I had was I am a a naturalaized American of filipino origin, so you would have thought I would have fit in. I was raised in District Heights-Forestville -Camp Springs, went to school at leonard Hall and Bardstown, Ky. so as you can see I always thoght of myself as a local boy from around here. Unfortunately or fortunately, local boy has a slightly different context over there. While it was possible to look like a kama'aina, everytime I spoke you knew I was Haole
You can figure out whay happened next.
The nisei called me a kotonk , later a flip, others (dink, slope,etc) or Haole, hapa-hoale, or from the ilcanos , an FOB,
Luckily, my fellow vets, called me brother.
I did on the lighter side develop a great appetite for good and cheap sushi and definitely a wariness of body surfing with hammerheads and tigers off Kapahulu.
Also a love of hiking in Waimea Canyon on Kauai. Even married a n Ilcana from Waianae. Didn't last more than 4 years though as she ran off with some dude she worked with when we moved back here.
So I definitely was in error when I condemned a whole state for the dumbness of a few at the helm. I suppose that doesn't make me any better, and I apologize to all of you (and give myself one heck of a boot in the old arse). As I said, as long as one keeps away from the LA wannabs in Honolulu and LaHaina, its a great state with problems like anywhere.
You can figure out whay happened next.The nisei called me a kotonk , later a flip, others (dink, slope,etc) or Haole, hapa-hoale, or from the ilcanos , an FOB,
Luckily, my fellow vets, called me brother.
I did on the lighter side develop a great appetite for good and cheap sushi and definitely a wariness of body surfing with hammerheads and tigers off Kapahulu.
Also a love of hiking in Waimea Canyon on Kauai. Even married a n Ilcana from Waianae. Didn't last more than 4 years though as she ran off with some dude she worked with when we moved back here.
So I definitely was in error when I condemned a whole state for the dumbness of a few at the helm. I suppose that doesn't make me any better, and I apologize to all of you (and give myself one heck of a boot in the old arse). As I said, as long as one keeps away from the LA wannabs in Honolulu and LaHaina, its a great state with problems like anywhere.
LateApex
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I'm born and raised in Hawaii.
Mixed ethnicity but mostly Hawaiian.
You're going to run into idiots where ever you go so I wouldn't condemn a whole state because the actions of a few.
I left Hawaii to move here (of all places) to live with relatives when my parents got divorced. This was back in 1984. I haven't been here the whole time (stints in the navy, college etc)
I left after one year then moved back here again in 1990. I went to Great Mills high. I never knew what racism was (I knew what it meant but hadn't actually experienced it).
My one year at Great Mills really opened my eyes.
I hung out with all kinds of people, but was really shocked how the different races viewed each other.
My aunt is a cultural anthro. phd in hawaii and I've been on a few digs with here. Her views aren't my own, but she shares some of the views with the the movement going on in Hawaii.
I think it stems from the fact that the Hawaiian people, which are few and far between feel like they have lost their identity.
Back in the day my great grandmother only spoke to us children in Hawaiian. Now-a-days there are very few who can speak the language.
I'm sorry you guys feel that way about my homeland, but believe me when I say not all are like that.
Mixed ethnicity but mostly Hawaiian.
You're going to run into idiots where ever you go so I wouldn't condemn a whole state because the actions of a few.
I left Hawaii to move here (of all places) to live with relatives when my parents got divorced. This was back in 1984. I haven't been here the whole time (stints in the navy, college etc)
I left after one year then moved back here again in 1990. I went to Great Mills high. I never knew what racism was (I knew what it meant but hadn't actually experienced it).
My one year at Great Mills really opened my eyes.
I hung out with all kinds of people, but was really shocked how the different races viewed each other.
My aunt is a cultural anthro. phd in hawaii and I've been on a few digs with here. Her views aren't my own, but she shares some of the views with the the movement going on in Hawaii.
I think it stems from the fact that the Hawaiian people, which are few and far between feel like they have lost their identity.
Back in the day my great grandmother only spoke to us children in Hawaiian. Now-a-days there are very few who can speak the language.
I'm sorry you guys feel that way about my homeland, but believe me when I say not all are like that.
LateApex
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I wouldn't go that far.
Do I agree with the people of OHA?
No.
But, you have to understand the passion that some of these people have for their culture and the pride they have.
Hawaiians have suffered the same kind of treatment that the african americans, native indians, etc had to endure.
I believe in free speech. I also believe that people should exercise their right to free speech but should also be cognizant of the fact that some things can be demeaning to others even though it wasn't meant to be.
Dude
Didn't you read my last post ?
Things are ne'er perfect everywhere...I was raised in PG county in the 60's and even people in Hawaii knew about how bad the cops were then. When I went to Leonard Hall, it was in the early 60's and you would think they never saw anyone with a brown complexion, though there were enough Cubans coming from the exodus out of that sad land, whose sons were attending. I had to endure being called a jap,slant eyed, etc etc etc, but somehow I hung in and when I lgraduated, I was at least accpted. Funny that when I went to St Joe's Prep in Bardstown, Ky (run by the same Xaverian brothers as at Leonard Hall)you would have thought those people ever saw someone else other than black or white. Again I put up with being a jap, a dink, a slope, slant eyed, pablo,pancho. And I thought I was confused.
Hawaii is not perfect and it should come slean about that. What was done to the native Hawaiians is as criminal as what was done to the native Americans. However, you should also remember what was done was done with contrivance with some of the Alii who took advantage to gain personal advantage. That is what I have in conflict with some of those who rail about reparations for slavery ...things are done with the contrivance of others within the power structures of those who should have known better. For some people the only color they see is either the color of the denomination in use or gold.
Hawaii is indeed a beautiful state, but one among 50. This whole country is beautiful. However, each region is rife with racial problems and ignoring that they do exist in even what is considered a melting pot is self deluding. Heck, when I was courting my present wife, I went down to visit her folks in central Va. Talk about the cold shoulder....when I tried to speak with some of the people, it was as if I was nonexistant. If they chose to answer at all. they spoke to her. They wouldn't even look me in the eye...they would speak to someone over my left shoulder...and this was in the 90's.
Didn't you read my last post ?
Things are ne'er perfect everywhere...I was raised in PG county in the 60's and even people in Hawaii knew about how bad the cops were then. When I went to Leonard Hall, it was in the early 60's and you would think they never saw anyone with a brown complexion, though there were enough Cubans coming from the exodus out of that sad land, whose sons were attending. I had to endure being called a jap,slant eyed, etc etc etc, but somehow I hung in and when I lgraduated, I was at least accpted. Funny that when I went to St Joe's Prep in Bardstown, Ky (run by the same Xaverian brothers as at Leonard Hall)you would have thought those people ever saw someone else other than black or white. Again I put up with being a jap, a dink, a slope, slant eyed, pablo,pancho. And I thought I was confused.
Hawaii is not perfect and it should come slean about that. What was done to the native Hawaiians is as criminal as what was done to the native Americans. However, you should also remember what was done was done with contrivance with some of the Alii who took advantage to gain personal advantage. That is what I have in conflict with some of those who rail about reparations for slavery ...things are done with the contrivance of others within the power structures of those who should have known better. For some people the only color they see is either the color of the denomination in use or gold.
Hawaii is indeed a beautiful state, but one among 50. This whole country is beautiful. However, each region is rife with racial problems and ignoring that they do exist in even what is considered a melting pot is self deluding. Heck, when I was courting my present wife, I went down to visit her folks in central Va. Talk about the cold shoulder....when I tried to speak with some of the people, it was as if I was nonexistant. If they chose to answer at all. they spoke to her. They wouldn't even look me in the eye...they would speak to someone over my left shoulder...and this was in the 90's.
LateApex
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Dude
Didn't you read my last post ?
Things are ne'er perfect everywhere...I was raised in PG county in the 60's and even people in Hawaii knew about how bad the cops were then. When I went to Leonard Hall, it was in the early 60's and you would think they never saw anyone with a brown complexion, though there were enough Cubans coming from the exodus out of that sad land, whose sons were attending. I had to endure being called a jap,slant eyed, etc etc etc, but somehow I hung in and when I lgraduated, I was at least accpted. Funny that when I went to St Joe's Prep in Bardstown, Ky (run by the same Xaverian brothers as at Leonard Hall)you would have thought those people ever saw someone else other than black or white. Again I put up with being a jap, a dink, a slope, slant eyed, pablo,pancho. And I thought I was confused.
Hawaii is not perfect and it should come slean about that. What was done to the native Hawaiians is as criminal as what was done to the native Americans. However, you should also remember what was done was done with contrivance with some of the Alii who took advantage to gain personal advantage. That is what I have in conflict with some of those who rail about reparations for slavery ...things are done with the contrivance of others within the power structures of those who should have known better. For some people the only color they see is either the color of the denomination in use or gold.
Hawaii is indeed a beautiful state, but one among 50. This whole country is beautiful. However, each region is rife with racial problems and ignoring that they do exist in even what is considered a melting pot is self deluding. Heck, when I was courting my present wife, I went down to visit her folks in central Va. Talk about the cold shoulder....when I tried to speak with some of the people, it was as if I was nonexistant. If they chose to answer at all. they spoke to her. They wouldn't even look me in the eye...they would speak to someone over my left shoulder...and this was in the 90's.
My post wasn't directed at you.
It was directed at people who will read this thread and take that article and jump to conclusions.
Yes, what was done the Hawaiian people was horrible, but that type of thing has happened throughout history. What has happened in the past should stay in the past, but should not be forgotten.
Honestly, I haven't had someone treat me in a manner that could be considered racist. Don't get me wrong - I've had to deal with punk kids growing up on the mainland, but nothing that I perceived to be done with malice.
I'm not without guilt as well. I have my stereo-typical views of people, but nothing that would be considered racist.
I actually like the mainland and will probably spend the rest of my life here. Once you leave Hawaii and realize that there are more things to life than having fun in the sun missing the islands becomes a little easier.
my friend
Only ONE in this world had no guilt and believe me it is neither of us.
What is in the past cannot be undone , but one learns to deal with it. As you, I am not guiltless and I am human enough to throw a dig when it fits. It often backfires and I eat crow . Or if in Hawaii, poi with lots of sugar...LOL.
I had good times and bad times there. However, like in the army. the friends I made there are solid.
Unfortunately a plantation mentality does exist..particularly among those who went to Punahou. Reminds me of my niece and her friends who went to VT.
Oh well, that's another thread.
Only ONE in this world had no guilt and believe me it is neither of us.
What is in the past cannot be undone , but one learns to deal with it. As you, I am not guiltless and I am human enough to throw a dig when it fits. It often backfires and I eat crow . Or if in Hawaii, poi with lots of sugar...LOL.
I had good times and bad times there. However, like in the army. the friends I made there are solid.
Unfortunately a plantation mentality does exist..particularly among those who went to Punahou. Reminds me of my niece and her friends who went to VT.
Oh well, that's another thread.
LateApex
New Member
my friend
Only ONE in this world had no guilt and believe me it is neither of us.
What is in the past cannot be undone , but one learns to deal with it. As you, I am not guiltless and I am human enough to throw a dig when it fits. It often backfires and I eat crow . Or if in Hawaii, poi with lots of sugar...LOL.
I had good times and bad times there. However, like in the army. the friends I made there are solid.
Unfortunately a plantation mentality does exist..particularly among those who went to Punahou. Reminds me of my niece and her friends who went to VT.
Oh well, that's another thread.
A lot of my family went to Punahou. I went to Kamehameha High School.
And putting sugar in your poi is blasphemy...
Again let me amend my words.
Many of those I knew who went to Punahou acted as if they were the crem'de la crem' and that they were entitled to be treated like royalty...the provincial mentality I am referring to not unlike my niece and her friends who went to VT.
This was not directed at you or yours.
LoL......the poi ref was due because it was the only way I could it eat... though my pals would always say mix it with the lomi lomi and ahi you got . I preferred it with long rice.
Sushi was cheap in the 70's and I preferred it to fast food. My aunt would always send me to Leonard's to get malasadas and I enjoyed breakfast at King's bakery.
I am sure things have changed, my sister tells me Ala Moana is enclosed now. ( I used to live on Keeamoku above H1) At night I used to go up to Tantalus just to meditate.
As you see my memories are not all bad and I treasure the good ones, and laugh now about the bad..like the voices at night on the Pali.
Many of those I knew who went to Punahou acted as if they were the crem'de la crem' and that they were entitled to be treated like royalty...the provincial mentality I am referring to not unlike my niece and her friends who went to VT.
This was not directed at you or yours.
LoL......the poi ref was due because it was the only way I could it eat... though my pals would always say mix it with the lomi lomi and ahi you got . I preferred it with long rice.
Sushi was cheap in the 70's and I preferred it to fast food. My aunt would always send me to Leonard's to get malasadas and I enjoyed breakfast at King's bakery.
I am sure things have changed, my sister tells me Ala Moana is enclosed now. ( I used to live on Keeamoku above H1) At night I used to go up to Tantalus just to meditate.
As you see my memories are not all bad and I treasure the good ones, and laugh now about the bad..like the voices at night on the Pali.
LateApex
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Heh. Sorry.
It's hard to convey meaning through the internet.
I wasn't taking offense. In fact I thought most of the people that went to "Tunahou" were stuck up.
Believe me. I miss Hawaii and go there as often as I can.
I don't, however, miss the lifestyle. Not to say it's bad. It's just I wanted to do more. A lot of my family are perfectly content to just "get by" and live the simple life. I didn't. I knew there was more out there than that tiny little island.
That's why I joined the USN and later went to college.
I am saddened though that the Hawaiian way of life is disappearing. My early childhood memories are filled with visions of my family (big, big, family) flying to Moloka'i and camping on family land for a week for a reunion. The older boys would hunt mule deer and wild pig. We'd dig our own Imu and cook the pig. The women would pick limu from the sea and fish so that we could have a big luau. Hula dancing, singing, talking story all night long.
Pure Hawaiians are few and far between. I'm a little over half myself - and pretty much lost all of my hawaiian vocabulary.
It's just the nature of the beast though. Times change.
You are much more fortunate than me....except for a word here and there, I have forgotten my parents' tagolog. I only recently have been trying to recapture the bits of childhood I remember even going to Emily's on GM Road to eat lumpia.
I remember now little of my life outside this country and it is amazing when I go to family reunions when relatives rush up to me but embarrassingly not being able to return the favor.
Maybe you should go to Niihau, I think that is how its spelled...that private island west of Kauai...isnt that the one owned by the Rices' and only those of proven Hawaiian heritage can set foot on ?
I know you miss your home..it is after all, among the best times you can remember.
Some of us had good times and bad times there. It seems some had more of the latter than the former. I try to think best of the friends I have there. That's probably the way to do it.
Oh yeah....lol...Maui onions and potato chips are still a fond memory for me too. I went to Hawaii Loa COllege in Kaneohe, though I think it is Hawaii Pacific COllege now.
I remember now little of my life outside this country and it is amazing when I go to family reunions when relatives rush up to me but embarrassingly not being able to return the favor.
Maybe you should go to Niihau, I think that is how its spelled...that private island west of Kauai...isnt that the one owned by the Rices' and only those of proven Hawaiian heritage can set foot on ?
I know you miss your home..it is after all, among the best times you can remember.
Some of us had good times and bad times there. It seems some had more of the latter than the former. I try to think best of the friends I have there. That's probably the way to do it.
Oh yeah....lol...Maui onions and potato chips are still a fond memory for me too. I went to Hawaii Loa COllege in Kaneohe, though I think it is Hawaii Pacific COllege now.