Charles County officer murders dog
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oldnavy
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what in the world does that have to do with anything in this situation?sgt_turmoil said:
FrankBama1234
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Enough already!
OK. All you lawyers types and Perry Mason wannabe's listen up. The dog's owner's son has been using this address for all his court related paperwork. (It is public record at the court house, go look if you don't believe me). An officer has every right to step on your property while investigating a crime, looking for wanted/missing persons etc. So get over it already. There is nothing in any law book that prohibits this. Any reasonable person will conclude that Officer Long did not wake up on this day and say, "today, I'm going to murder a dog". Get real. Police Officers are one of the most highly trained people in the world. Ofc. Long shot this animal out of fear. It is an unfortunate incident, but the officer has a RIGHT to protect himself. The dog was following his natural instinct to protect his territory, and that is commendable. But if you read the St. Mary's Today paper, it sounds as if Long was on a mission to kill this dog. Police officers who serve warrants are facing dangerous situations every day. Think about it: everyone they come in contact with needs to be put in handcuffs. As for the officer going around the side and to the back of the house, he was DOING HIS JOB. How many wanted people do you think answer the front door when you knock? Maybe they will run out the back. Maybe the guy is working in the backyard. It is good sound police work. I retired from a sheriff's office down south and the most dangerous part of my job was serving warrants. This officer does not deserve this. One more thing, if the owner does not want the police on his property, tell his son to turn himself in or bring him in when he files one of his complaints. And, tell him to stop using his address. Just my opinion.......oldnavy said:
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oldnavy
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Well, there you have it.....
he retired from the sherrif's office down south and says "enough already" and that officer long did his job properly. That makes it official, time for us to move on and not discuss the current events in our area. Thank you sir for your time and willingness to enlighten us.FrankBama1234 said:
dawn
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FrankBama1234 said:
Guess you forgot that Officer Long knew there was a dog on the property, and gee, if you knock on the front door and someone runs out the back, I think they would have been long gone, but the time you arrived to the back door if you stoped and tried the side door first! and if he was such a volient crimimal that required the use of a deadly weapon to be used, one would think that the cops would tag team and send two, one for the front door and one for the back. So Mr. Sherriff, I am sorry, but I dont beleive he was doing his job, and for the record -- I know a police officer that served warrants for CHILD SUPPORT I dont know the exact number of years, but I have known him for 13 years and he was promoted approximately 4 years ago, but I know he was doing it for at least nine years years in Charles county before he was move to a higher rank and you know what -- he never ever once killed dog! NOT ONCE!
And also for the record, i know that all police offiers are not bad, there are many good ones that just once in a while have a bad seed in the bunch, but I am sorry to shoot your gun 7 times at a dog is EXCESSIVE and not justified. I dont care to hear that officers are trained to use force until the threat ends, because sir, if a child had walked out of that house while the officer was killing the dog, you best believe that officer would have the mind sense to stop shooting when a child could have been in danger, so no I dont beleive that at all, I beleive he should have been prepared with mace or tazer knowing there was a dog present.
and you quote of "Get real. Police Officers are one of the most highly trained people in the world." then why in gods name does it take seven shots from a 357 to kill a dog or were you not meaning that they were highly trained in shooting?
bohman
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I didn't read anything in Frank's post that sounded unreasonable. :shrug: It does seem, from reading this thread, that a surprisingly large amount of people assume that many cops are just out there looking for stuff to shoot. And those posters sound awfully damned paranoid.oldnavy said:
But I don't know any of the people involved, so what the hell. Maybe this cop does like shooting dogs. I wouldn't bet on it, though.
dawn
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bohman said:
No I wouldnt say paranoid, but I will say that I have a 170 pound dog, I live on six acres and my dog runs free on my land daily. I have an undesirable ex that was constantly in and out of trouble, with the law and with child support. I have long since broke up with him (over 5 years), but Charles county police STILL l come to my house looking for him (and this is not his last address on record, proven fact). I have a an ex-roommate that also fell behind on child support at times and yes the police did come to my house for him as well, not since he moved out, but before they did. My concern and outrage is that my dog is on my property and he is a big dog and yes if you drive down my driveway he will come to meet you, he is not a mean dog, never has been and never will be but looks like a huge dog-- if the police come down there to serve a warrant on someone that no longer lives at my house, will they do the same to my dog?
A. If serving warrants is so dangerous why would they send just 1 officer??? Sounds like there needs to be a policy review in order.
B. If the residence was really dangerous, the cop wouldn't have made it out of his car in all honesty he would have been dead in the front yard... In my experience its easier to hold a fort than it is to take one, and the homeowner has homefield advantage here... But that wasn't the case... so after all serving this warrant certainly wasn't a life or death situation. Nor is any other warrant they serve using just 1 cop.
C. Sounds like he made a poor judgement call yes, and he should pay for it somehow. People don't hate cops, but they do hate corruption, coverups and conspiracies. If they are smart they will make a public example out of him to some degree, to prove that cops aren't above the law, and that they too can be held accountable. Maybe not lose his job, but he definately needs to re visit the range at the least.... he's an extremely poor shot, and if it were a person, i'd have to say they would have gotten him first. They need to at least make a public apology to show that the sheriffs office is human too, and apart of the community, not hunting chained up animals with their issued ammo lol.
D. There is something seriously wrong with things down here. For some reason, the police organizations are "shrouded in secrecy" and our tax dollars are spent hiding what really goes on, between investigations, screwups, and corruption. This county could have an auxillary police force... theres alot of other places that do that, it gets the citizens more involved in what goes on.... and starts bringing some common sense to hired guns patrolling the streets with a finger on the trigger, not straight and off the trigger. Why we spend resources looking for spraypaint vandals instead of real criminals... who know's... I actually think they should put a civilian on the hiring board for the police agencies... so that the citizens may have more of an option in who's hired, and quit recycling sheriffs to force change.
B. If the residence was really dangerous, the cop wouldn't have made it out of his car in all honesty he would have been dead in the front yard... In my experience its easier to hold a fort than it is to take one, and the homeowner has homefield advantage here... But that wasn't the case... so after all serving this warrant certainly wasn't a life or death situation. Nor is any other warrant they serve using just 1 cop.
C. Sounds like he made a poor judgement call yes, and he should pay for it somehow. People don't hate cops, but they do hate corruption, coverups and conspiracies. If they are smart they will make a public example out of him to some degree, to prove that cops aren't above the law, and that they too can be held accountable. Maybe not lose his job, but he definately needs to re visit the range at the least.... he's an extremely poor shot, and if it were a person, i'd have to say they would have gotten him first. They need to at least make a public apology to show that the sheriffs office is human too, and apart of the community, not hunting chained up animals with their issued ammo lol.
D. There is something seriously wrong with things down here. For some reason, the police organizations are "shrouded in secrecy" and our tax dollars are spent hiding what really goes on, between investigations, screwups, and corruption. This county could have an auxillary police force... theres alot of other places that do that, it gets the citizens more involved in what goes on.... and starts bringing some common sense to hired guns patrolling the streets with a finger on the trigger, not straight and off the trigger. Why we spend resources looking for spraypaint vandals instead of real criminals... who know's... I actually think they should put a civilian on the hiring board for the police agencies... so that the citizens may have more of an option in who's hired, and quit recycling sheriffs to force change.
FrankBama1234
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I'm sorry. I didn't mean to be too politically incorrect. Funny how no one suggested the son stop using his dad's address. All this could have been avoided if the son just paid his child support. What any good father should do. The owner appears to care more about his dog than his son.....just my opinion.
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missperky
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How is it the owners fault that the son used their address?FrankBama1234 said:
dawn
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FrankBama1234 said:
How would you say the owner cares more about the dog than he does his son? where do you get that opinion from? I have been out of my dads house for over 15 years, I still have mail that goes to my dads, the problem with that is ?
I have a friend that repos cars for a living and he has no problem going on the computer and finding out peoples correct addresses (addresses which are usually differnet than the ones the deadbeats originally list). Now if a repo person can go in a computer and look someone up to get different addresses, they why in pray-tell cant the police do the same?
General Lee
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Ok genius, please tell us all how you are trained in serving warrants and what would have been the correct way for him to do it. Too many people have no clue about police procedures but yet they run their mouth like they know how its done, and nothing comes out but a bunch of jibberish.missperky said:
I'm not disputing the right and wrong about what the officer did. Quit relying on facts of the stupid media to voice your opinion. Thats were people go wrong.
General Lee
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That shouldn't matter. A dog can still get a hold of you and maul you if its tied up or not. Come on, use some common sense.missperky said:
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missperky
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I'm smart enough to stay the #### away from a dog that i do not know.General Lee said:
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missperky
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It does. The dog that was tied up can only go so far. A dog at large is a different story.General Lee said:
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missperky
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Have any statements been released?
General Lee
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It has nothing to do with how far the dog can go. A tied up dog can still get a hold of you, knock you down, lock his jaw on you and chew the s*it out of you. All depends on how quick you can move. Sure you can get out of reach of the chain, but you got to get out of that reach first.missperky said:
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missperky
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Hello!! How can the dog get you, if you don't go near it?General Lee said: