Child Support Problem.

[This_person]

You give me virtually no way to answer you, so yes of course you keep misrepresenting what I said, but I am comfortable with it.

That is why I said that I stand by everything that I said, not what you say but I stand by what I say.

It is not necessary for everyone to agree with me.

In a democracy it is only the majority vote that wins and many people are in the minority.

That is why we have rights to protect the minority from abuses of the majority.

I will try to persuade you and others but that is it for now.

Well, I said that: "His position is, it seems, that if a child isn't hungry, the non-custodial parent has no responsibility to the child" based on your saying "Since the children do already have all of their real needs met in full then the separated parent is not morally obligated to give extras to anybody. For parents to give extras and to give luxuries to their children is a personal choice and it is wrong to order extras by the child support.". Was this one a misrepresentation of your thoughts?

We'll do this one at a time.

 

[nightowl]

Write SICK across his forehead in your mind!!! I swear it will make you all feel better.

You can't win with a mentally ill person.

Note: Had Mr. JPC gotten disability during his years he was suppose to be helping to support his child, 1/2 of it could have went to the custodian parent if she filed the paper work to do so.

 

[JPC sr]

JPC sr "EXTRODIANIRE".

Well, I said that: "His position is, it seems, that if a child isn't hungry, the non-custodial parent has no responsibility to the child" based on your saying "Since the children do already have all of their real needs met in full then the separated parent is not morally obligated to give extras to anybody. For parents to give extras and to give luxuries to their children is a personal choice and it is wrong to order extras by the child support.". Was this one a misrepresentation of your thoughts?

We'll do this one at a time.

I do not see why you are playing that silly game but if you do it "one at a time" then I will simply ignore your post.

My link in your post speaks for itself in context, if you have some thing to add then please do, but I do not like this game.

 

[JPC sr]

JPC sr "EXTRODIANIRE".

Write SICK across his forehead in your mind!!! I swear it will make you all feel better.

You can't win with a mentally ill person.

Note: Had Mr. JPC gotten disability during his years he was suppose to be helping to support his child, 1/2 of it could have went to the custodian parent if she filed the paper work to do so.

There is some truth to that so how can some one think it is right to take half of the fixed income recieved by a disabled person and give it to a custodial that is healthy and the child is not in need?

You can hardly claim to be some "good guy" when you rob a disabled person.

You are no Robin Hood when you steal from the poor and the crippled.

 

[donbarzini]

Is it possible to have an IQ that is registered in negative numbers? Anyone?

 

[Ken King]

You are no Robin Hood when you steal from the poor and the crippled.

Just as it is when denying a better life to one's own child by refusing to pay child support.

 

[JPC sr]

JPC sr "EXTRODIANIRE".

Just as it is when denying a better life to one's own child by refusing to pay child support.

No parent is denying a better life for their child.

The custodial gets the money and not the children.

Refusing to pay a Court order is resisting an ujust government and rightly so, it has nothing to do with the children.

Except that the thievery claims to be helping children when it does not.

Plus the State of Maryland keeps the extra cash and does not give it to the custodial or the children but the State still calls it child support when it puts the cash into the State treasury.

So even if poor parents did pay then the State keeps the child support cash as extras for the State.

Is not our child support law just incredible? I think so.

 

[Ken King]

No parent is denying a better life for their child.

The custodial gets the money and not the children.

Refusing to pay a Court order is resisting an ujust government and rightly so, it has nothing to do with the children.

Except that the thievery claims to be helping children when it does not.

Plus the State of Maryland keeps the extra cash and does not give it to the custodial or the children but the State still calls it child support when it puts the cash into the State treasury.

So even if poor parents did pay then the State keeps the child support cash as extras for the State.

Is not our child support law just incredible? I think so.

Sure they are, you are the perfect example of a person denying their child a better life.

Of course the money goes to the adult, elsewise it would be kind of like giving you the money and we all know it wouldn't be used for what is best.

 

[Sharon]

No parent is denying a better life for their child.

You did. I believe you called the money you were supposed to pay as "extras".

The custodial gets the money and not the children.

Well duh! Can children enter into contracts to pay rent or a mortgage? Have bank accounts in their name only?

 

[Tinkerbell]

...Plus the State of Maryland keeps the extra cash and does not give it to the custodial or the children but the State still calls it child support when it puts the cash into the State treasury.

So even if poor parents did pay then the State keeps the child support cash as extras for the State...

Where in the world do you get his information?

My husband has his own business and I do payroll for him. I have/have had several men who had child support orders against them. I get the paperwork from the Maryland Child Support Enforcement Agency. I garnish their check for the correct amount, and I send it, with the case number on each check, to the correct address. The money is put in an account, by case number, and then, at the end of every month, a check is sent to the custodial parent.

One of these guys is my husbands cousin, and I know his ex-wife as well. I can tell you right now, each and every cent that I garnish from his wages and send to the state for child support is given to her. She gets exactly what I take out of her ex-husband's check. So how can you say the state keeps the money? That's simply not true.

 

[MMDad]

The custodial gets the money and not the children.

the State of Maryland keeps the extra cash and does not give it to the custodial

Please explain how you can so blatantly contradict yourself.

 

[aps45819]

Please explain how you can so blatantly contradict yourself.

Duhhhh, he's trying to be a politician

 

[JPC sr]

JPC sr "EXTRODIANIRE".

Where in the world do you get his information?

My husband has his own business and I do payroll for him. I have/have had several men who had child support orders against them. I get the paperwork from the Maryland Child Support Enforcement Agency. I garnish their check for the correct amount, and I send it, with the case number on each check, to the correct address. The money is put in an account, by case number, and then, at the end of every month, a check is sent to the custodial parent.

One of these guys is my husbands cousin, and I know his ex-wife as well. I can tell you right now, each and every cent that I garnish from his wages and send to the state for child support is given to her. She gets exactly what I take out of her ex-husband's check. So how can you say the state keeps the money? That's simply not true.

I said it like that to KK because he knows the situation already.

I was refering to when the custodial and child are on welfare and receiving cash benefits and or medical benefits in the State of Maryland then the State keeps the child support check and put the so called child support into the State treasury because the State says that the welfare custodial and child do already have ALL their needs met in full and so the child support is just exra cash and the State keeps the money itself.

That is what I was talking about.

 

[Tinkerbell]

I said it like that to KK because he knows the situation already.

I was refering to when the custodial and child are on welfare and receiving cash benefits and or medical benefits in the State of Maryland then the State keeps the child support check and put the so called child support into the State treasury because the State says that the welfare custodial and child do already have ALL their needs met in full and so the child support is just exra cash and the State keeps the money itself.

That is what I was talking about.

Well, if the deadbeat parent would pay in the first place, then the custodial wouldn't have to get money from the taxpayers.

Since the custodial does have to get money from the taxpayers to survive, because the non-custodial wouldn't pay, it's only fair that the non-custodial should have to re-pay that money to the state. There is no reason why me and the other joe-taxpayers should have to foot the bill for someone else's responsibility (see below).

"Responsibility - the social force that binds you to your obligations and the courses of action demanded by that force; "we must instill a sense of duty in our children"; "every right implies a responsibility; every opportunity, an obligation; every possession, a duty"- John D.Rockefeller Jr

 

[This_person]

I do not see why you are playing that silly game but if you do it "one at a time" then I will simply ignore your post.

My link in your post speaks for itself in context, if you have some thing to add then please do, but I do not like this game.

Here's the thing.... I don't think you really should have a problem taking my points on one at a time if you really think you're right. I think, and this is JMO, that you really realize that I never misrepresented you at all, since I'm willing to back my statements up with quote after quote after quote from you. I think you really don't like how what you say sounds when you read it in a blunt format like I provided. Sounds pretty bad when you strip away the rhetoric and bs that you normally pile on top of your statements. Boiled down to the base concepts, you don't think a non-custodial parent should feel obligated to pay child support - you just don't. And, boiled down, you don't think that any child deserves more than what the custodial will provide, regardless of it's source, you just don't. And, when you read it that bluntly, you realize that it sounds pretty darned bad. So, you come up with an excuse to not have to face your own words taken literally from yourself, with the bs stripped off. In just a few months of reading the barebones of what you're saying, you may even begin to change your mind.

 

[This_person]

I said it like that to KK because he knows the situation already.

I was refering to when the custodial and child are on welfare and receiving cash benefits and or medical benefits in the State of Maryland then the State keeps the child support check and put the so called child support into the State treasury because the State says that the welfare custodial and child do already have ALL their needs met in full and so the child support is just exra cash and the State keeps the money itself.

That is what I was talking about.

As a former non-supporting parent, a collector of welfare checks, and a politician running on a plank of federalizing child support "reform", could you please cite the source of this information? When I researched it, I found very, very, very different information, posted the correct information to you, yet you seem to believe this over the research. Please help me repair my poor research with your facts.

Thank you

 

[JPC sr]

JPC sr "EXTRODIANIRE".

"Responsibility - the social force that binds you to your obligations and the courses of action demanded by that force; "we must instill a sense of duty in our children"; "every right implies a responsibility; every opportunity, an obligation; every possession, a duty"- John D.Rockefeller Jr

Look here TP, this is what I have been telling you that "responsibility" means.

Responsibility means to do as we are told and not to think and decide for oneself as I say to do.

Plus I am going to look up a link to the State taking the child support from welfare parents.

 

[JPC sr]

"Scofflaw"

As a former non-supporting parent, a collector of welfare checks, and a politician running on a plank of federalizing child support "reform", could you please cite the source of this information? When I researched it, I found very, very, very different information, posted the correct information to you, yet you seem to believe this over the research. Please help me repair my poor research with your facts.

Thank you

I too had a difficult time trying to find a link for info but I got one.

Here is the State of Maine that takes the child support money too but it gives the custodial $50 of the take, Maryland use to give $50 too but MD gives nothing now and keeps all the child support for parents on TANF.

See the first article; "Why can DHHS keep some of my child support?"

Click HERE for link, and TANF stands for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families.

See these are needy families but the gov does not consider the needy families to be needy enough for the extra child support cash so the State keeps the loot.

The problem of the unjust child support system is not just in Maryland as it is all through the USA and it needs to be reformed.

 

[Pete]

I too had a difficult time trying to find a link for info but I got one.

Here is the State of Maine that takes the child support money too but it gives the custodial $50 of the take, Maryland use to give $50 too but MD gives nothing now and keeps all the child support for parents on TANF.

See the first article; "Why can DHHS keep some of my child support?"

Click HERE for link, and TANF stands for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families.

See these are needy families but the gov does not consider the needy families to be needy enough for the extra child support cash so the State keeps the loot.

The problem of the unjust child support system is not just in Maryland as it is all through the USA and it needs to be reformed.

Why do you have a problem with the government getting money to meet all the childs needs? You keep saying "all the childs needs are met in full". :shrug:

 

[JPC sr]

"Scofflaw"

Why do you have a problem with the government getting money to meet all the childs needs? You keep saying "all the childs needs are met in full". :shrug:

Because the government is putting poor parents in jail claiming it is to collect money for supporting children and then the gov keeps the child support cash for itself.

So for the poorest of the poor children do not get their child support because the State takes the loot.

Therefore the child support system is fundamentally a fraud.