CNN is so absolutely full of crap on gun deaths

David

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Another shooting. This time in Kentucky by a 23-year-old who knew he was about to be fired. Pronouns in his profile.

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So, CNN reports in the 8th paragraph of their story:

mass gun violence, a uniquely American phenomenon.
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Here is the page they link to:

www.cnn.com

How US gun culture stacks up with the world | CNN

Ubiquitous gun violence in the US has left few places unscathed over the decades. As the tally of gun-related deaths continue to grow daily, here's a look at how American gun culture compares to the rest of the world.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

They are so full of crap.

I picked two countries south of the USA and asked ChapGPT about the murder rates there.

El Salvador:

According to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) Global Study on Homicide, the murder rate in El Salvador was 29 per 100,000 people in 2019, which is the most recent year for which data is available. This is a significant decrease from the peak murder rate of 103 per 100,000 people in 2015, but it is still one of the highest murder rates in the world.
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Much of the violence in El Salvador was due to the gangs. However, El Presidente just finished a superMax prison, rounded all the gang bangers up and locked them in there and threw away the key. The country is now one of the safest in Latin America. I'm pretty sure the liberals were having a fit about the new prison and denouncing the president for human rights violations.

Mexico:

Mexico has a relatively high murder rate compared to many other countries. According to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) Global Study on Homicide, the murder rate in Mexico was 29.3 per 100,000 people in 2019, which is the most recent year for which data is available.

However, it is important to note that homicide rates can vary significantly within the country. Some areas, particularly those affected by drug-related violence and organized crime, have much higher murder rates than the national average, while other areas have much lower rates.
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In case CNN wasn't paying attention, cartels are shooting people right and left, en masse in Mexico. They're even kidnapping USA citizens and murdering them. Of course, most of this is fostered by the unstoppable lust that some of our fellow citizens have to put dangerous, illegal drugs into their bodies.

USA:

According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Uniform Crime Reporting Program, the homicide rate in the United States was 5.8 per 100,000 people in 2020, which is an increase from the 5.0 per 100,000 people recorded in 2019.
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Then the CNN tools go on to blame suicides in the USA on easy gun availability:

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OK, isn't the real point here that so many people who live in the USA would rather off themselves than wake up tomorrow? A gun is the tool they choose. The real issue is WHY? WHY, CNN? I guess we need to look back over the years as suicides increased and see what socio-political-economic factors have changed and try to make a correlation there. Maybe CNN played a role in that more than the availability of guns.

**** these people. We can't even have an honest conversation about it, thus preventing any real solution!!
 
Kyle

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They only chose firearms suicides. If you include all suicides, nation by nation in the United States, is not at the top of the list.

it would be like choosing a category of suicide by cliff, jumping. The nations with that geological landscape would probably be higher, even if their overall suicide rate was lower.

statistical bullshit.
 
Merlin99

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Kyle said:
They only chose firearms suicides. If you include all suicides, nation by nation in the United States, is not at the top of the list.

it would be like choosing a category of suicide by cliff, jumping. The nations with that geological landscape would probably be higher, even if their overall suicide rate was lower.

statistical bullshit.
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I’m not sure of that, most of the rest of the world are to busy trying to survive, you have to get to a certain level of degeneration to consider suicide as a way of making a point.
 
SamSpade

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While this doesn't change the gun deaths - most of the gun HOMICIDES in this country are connected to drug violence and gangs.
 
SamSpade

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Most of the perps killing others with guns are males between 15 and 30. They are very likely to be urban and black, and their victims are likely to be urban and black. There are far more victims of gun homicide than there are perps, because killers with guns kill many people, including bystanders whom they're not even targeting - and they get away with it. A huge proportion of gun homicides don't even come close to being solved. There are thousands of gun homicides where we have NO data - other than about the victims - because the killers got off scot-free.

It doesn't take a leap of logic to examine the profiles and come to the same conclusions I've read in dozens of articles trying to examine the gun problem - yes, we have robberies and needlessly violent individuals - but most of the violent crime in the nation is connected to the drug trade.

Which is why, wherever we attempt to blanket restrict access to guns by citizens, it barely moves the needle, because an entire drug culture that completely thrives on dealing with illegal substances is only marginally inconvenienced by gun restrictions. Again - if your entire time living and moving consists of selling and dealing deadly drugs, getting a gun illegally isn't much of a problem, especially if you're never caught.

I don't know the answer to combatting the drug trade in this country - nor do I have a good suggestion. We've tried fighting consumption, dealing and smuggling - and it's just not working. But you don't stop gun violence in this country with bans on sales. The gun violence in the United States is a consequence of the drug trade.
 
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SamSpade said:
I don't know the answer to combatting the drug trade in this country - nor do I have a good suggestion. We've tried fighting consumption, dealing and smuggling - and it's just not working. But you don't stop gun violence in this country with bans on sales. The gun violence in the United States is a consequence of the drug trade.
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Drug dealers seem to be taking on the burden themselves. With the addition of more and more Fentanyl and Xylazine in their drugs, they will kill off the customer base faster and run out of consumers in a hurry.
 
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OccamsRazor said:
Drug dealers seem to be taking on the burden themselves. With the addition of more and more Fentanyl and Xylazine in their drugs, they will kill off the customer base faster and run out of consumers in a hurry.
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Sometimes I wonder if the purpose of fentanyl isn't somewhat - intentional - in its larger likelihood of KILLING clientele. And by that I mean, the primary force behind it ISN'T a drug cartel.

Did you ever see the second "Kingsman" movie, where a popular drug causes people worldwide to go mad - then to become paralyzed - and then die - and the President at that time chooses to do NOTHING - because by killing off addicts and presenting a terrifying consequence, the drug problem is solved? I like those movies - they're much sillier than Roger Moore's version of Bond and vastly more violent - but I wonder how much truth there is, that the government may restrain its fight against drugs, because the victims of the drug culture are also the perpetrators of it?
 
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SamSpade said:
Sometimes I wonder if the purpose of fentanyl isn't somewhat - intentional - in its larger likelihood of KILLING clientele. And by that I mean, the primary force behind it ISN'T a drug cartel.

Did you ever see the second "Kingsman" movie, where a popular drug causes people worldwide to go mad - then to become paralyzed - and then die - and the President at that time chooses to do NOTHING - because by killing off addicts and presenting a terrifying consequence, the drug problem is solved? I like those movies - they're much sillier than Roger Moore's version of Bond and vastly more violent - but I wonder how much truth there is, that the government may restrain its fight against drugs, because the victims of the drug culture are also the perpetrators of it?
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It would make somewhat morbid sense. Its not like the government would be coming to the aid of massive swaths of dedicated tax payers. However, the voting block for Democrats would suffer greatly. :sshrug:
 
Merlin99

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SamSpade said:
Sometimes I wonder if the purpose of fentanyl isn't somewhat - intentional - in its larger likelihood of KILLING clientele. And by that I mean, the primary force behind it ISN'T a drug cartel.

Did you ever see the second "Kingsman" movie, where a popular drug causes people worldwide to go mad - then to become paralyzed - and then die - and the President at that time chooses to do NOTHING - because by killing off addicts and presenting a terrifying consequence, the drug problem is solved? I like those movies - they're much sillier than Roger Moore's version of Bond and vastly more violent - but I wonder how much truth there is, that the government may restrain its fight against drugs, because the victims of the drug culture are also the perpetrators of it?
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Then we go the rest of the way and take narcan off the market.
 
Hijinx

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Fentanyl deaths do not take drug users away , for some reason even though many overdose there is a line of people waiting to get started using it.
 
SamSpade

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I'm not sure if there exists a strategy to persuade addicts to stop - my sister was a diehard addict and so were several of her friends. Even a painful horrible DEATH wasn't incentive enough, since I suspect several of them kinda WANTED to die, or at least, had no fear of it. It didn't get to my sister - it took totally losing custody of her daughter to get her on the right path, but I've known others - that STILL didn't do anything. Her boyfriend regained consciousness to a priest performing last rites - and it didn't change him.
 
SamSpade

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Clem72 said:
Damn Greenland, why so sad? I thought you had saunas and hot springs and hot cousins.
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But this is what you'd expect with outliers - small population, doesn't take but one huge spike to change a RATE.

This is also why crime stats don't tell you much. One I've already covered - some crime sources don't count it unless there's a conviction in court, so you could have total anarchy in a city with no one getting caught, and statistically, there's no crime.

But another is when you have a small region, and there's a jump in violent crime for one or two years - say, a few murders - and the rate makes a huge increase, even though the numbers are small. For instance, years ago when DC was christened "Murder Capital of the U.S." it got a reprieve from, of all places, East Palo Alto California, a town of about 30k. It held that distinction for ONE YEAR, because it had a surge of crime in the early 90's and mostly, non-residents. It has since become a peaceful town, perhaps one homicide a year.
 
RoseRed

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SamSpade said:
But this is what you'd expect with outliers - small population, doesn't take but one huge spike to change a RATE.

This is also why crime stats don't tell you much. One I've already covered - some crime sources don't count it unless there's a conviction in court, so you could have total anarchy in a city with no one getting caught, and statistically, there's no crime.

But another is when you have a small region, and there's a jump in violent crime for one or two years - say, a few murders - and the rate makes a huge increase, even though the numbers are small. For instance, years ago when DC was christened "Murder Capital of the U.S." it got a reprieve from, of all places, East Palo Alto California, a town of about 30k. It held that distinction for ONE YEAR, because it had a surge of crime in the early 90's and mostly, non-residents. It has since become a peaceful town, perhaps one homicide a year.
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EPA used to be really scary. You had to go through it to get to the Dumbarton bridge. Back in the 80's it was rumored that if you pissed someone off, they'd take you there, drop you off and yell out a few N-bombs and drive off. Letting the locals finish up the beating.
 
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RoseRed said:
EPA used to be really scary. You had to go through it to get to the Dumbarton bridge. Back in the 80's it was rumored that if you pissed someone off, they'd take you there, drop you off and yell out a few N-bombs and drive off. Letting the locals finish up the beating.
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Kentucky Fried Movie: Rex Cramer, Thrill Seeker.

Dons a helmet, walks into a group of black men in the hood, shouts the 'n' word, and runs like hell.

I'd post the video, but .... you know.
 
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