Collusion The Timeline of a lie or how to break it to your supporters slowly you scammed them

Sapidus

New Member
The Trump campaign has lied dozens of times about its involvement with Russia. Each time new information is exposed showing the relationship getting cozier and cozier.

Just yesterday Giuliani gave us the clearest evidence that something big is coming and they are trying to lessen the impact of it.

“I never said there was no collusion between the campaign or between people in the campaign,” Giuliani told CNN’s Chris Cuomo, before getting cut off.

He did in fact say that numerous times.

Let's look at the development of these lies and you will clearly see they are trying to lessen the blow when it comes out they did in fact collude.


1. November 2016: No communications, period

Hope Hicks: “It never happened. There was no communication between the campaign and any foreign entity during the campaign.”


2. February 2017: There were no communications, “to the best of our knowledge”

Sarah Sanders: “This is a non-story because, to the best of our knowledge, no contacts took place.”

3. March 2017: There were communications, but no planned meetings with Russians

Donald Trump Jr.: “Did I meet with people that were Russian? I’m sure, I’m sure I did. . . . But none that were set up. None that I can think of at the moment. And certainly none that I was representing the campaign in any way, shape or form.”

4. July 8, 2017: There was a planned meeting at Trump Tower, but it was “primarily” about adoption and not the campaign

Trump Jr.: “We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago and was since ended by the Russian government, but it was not a campaign issue at that time and there was no follow-up.”


5. July 9, 2017: The meeting was planned to discuss the campaign, but the information exchanged wasn't “meaningful”

Trump Jr.: “No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information.”

6. December 2017: Collusion isn't even a crime

President Trump: “There is no collusion, and even if there was, it’s not a crime.”

Jay Sekulow: “For something to be a crime, there has to be a statute that you claim is being violated. There is not a statute that refers to criminal collusion. There is no crime of collusion.”

(Technically speaking, the criminal code doesn't use the word “collusion,” but it's generally understood as a broad term that could encompass more specific, codified crimes. And even special counsel Robert S. Mueller III's team has used it in court filings.)


7. May 16, 2018: Even if meaningful information were obtained, it wasn't used

Giuliani: “And even if it comes from a Russian, or a German, or an American, it doesn’t matter. And they never used it, is the main thing. They never used it. They rejected it. If there was collusion with the Russians, they would have used it.”

[One thing, Rudy Giuliani: The Trump campaign *did* use it.]

8. May 19, 2018: There was a *second* planned meeting about foreign help in the election, but nothing came of it either

The New York Times reported Sunday on yet another meeting about getting foreign help with the 2016 election. This one came three months before the election and featured Donald Trump Jr. and an emissary, George Nader, who said the princes who lead Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates wanted to assist Trump.


Alan Futerfas, Trump Jr.'s attorney: "They pitched Mr. Trump Jr. on a social media platform or marketing strategy. He was not interested, and that was the end of it.”

9. July 16, 2018: Trump couldn't collude, because Trump didn't even know Putin

Trump: "There was no collusion. I didn't know the president. There was nobody to collude with."

10. July 30, 2018: Collusion isn't a crime, and Trump wasn't physically at the Trump Tower meeting

With Michael Cohen alleging that Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting in real time — despite many previous denials — Giuliani told both CNN and Fox News that Trump wasn't physically at the meeting.

"I’m happy to tell Mueller that Trump wasn’t at the Trump Tower meeting,” Giuliani told CNN, adding that "Don Jr. says he wasn’t there.”

He added on Fox: “He did not participate in any meeting about the Russia transaction. . . . And the other people at the meeting that he claims he had without the president about it say he was never there.”

Giuliani also argued that collusion isn't even a crime.

“I don’t even know if that’s a crime — colluding with Russians,” Giuliani said on CNN. “Hacking is the crime. The president didn’t hack. He didn’t pay for the hacking.”

And on Fox: “I have been sitting here looking in the federal code trying to find collusion as a crime. Collusion is not a crime.”

11. January 16, 2019: Trump didn’t collude, but no guarantees on others in the campaign

The exchange with Cuomo:


GIULIANI: I never said there was no collusion between the campaign or between people in the campaign --

CUOMO: Yes, you have.

GIULIANI: I have no idea -- I have not. I said the president of the United States. There is not a single bit of evidence the president of the United States committed the only crime you could commit here -- conspired with the Russians to hack the DNC.

CUOMO: First of all, crime is not the bar of accountability for a president. It’s about what you knew --

GIULIANI: Well, he didn’t collude with Russia either!

CUOMO: -- what was right, and what was wrong, and what did you deceive about? Those are going to be major considerations.

GIULIANI: The president did not collude with the Russians.

(CROSSTALK)

CUOMO: He said nobody had any contact, tons of people had contact. Nobody colluded, the guy running his campaign --

GIULIANI: He didn’t say nobody --

CUOMO: -- was working on an issue at the same time as the convention.

GIULIANI: He said he didn’t. He didn’t say nobody. How would you know that nobody in your campaign --

CUOMO: He actually did say that, Rudy. He said, nobody, and then he said, as far as I know.

(CROSSTALK)

GIULIANI: Well, as far as he knows, it’s true.
 

Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
:yawn:

You still have not provided any links to the statute the defines the "crime of collusion".
 

Sapidus

New Member
“I never said there was no collusion between the campaign or between people in the campaign,” Giuliani told CNN’s Chris Cuomo, before getting cut off.


One year ago you would have all bet your trailers that Giuliana would never make this statement.

As they slowly got you used to the idea that there was in fact collusion it now seems toy out tiny minds to be not that big a deal.

Expect more evidence of collusion to appear in the next few weeks with Giuliana is clearly trying to soften the impact of.


It's like you people have learned nothing about how politics works despite being rabidly glued to your televisions
 

Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
Gee look...Ivy League Lite...with all his sort of post secondary school education...doesn't understand the point that is being made. How...expected.
You also have not provided any links to the statute the defines the "crime of collusion". ;-)
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Good Stay in your moms basement and play video gas while the adults talk
WT Actual F ?


ah so you have nothing cognizant to add to the topic or discussion so out come the playground insults and derisive comments ....

.... you have yet to have an 'Adult' discussion on this forum, you spew Progressive talking points like a good little NPC and when that does not work, start the name calling and Ad Hominem Attacks
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
You should be able point in the US Code then ... section and paragraph


'Crime of Collusion'
Humpty Dumpty saying "...There's glory for you!''I don't know what you mean by "glory",' Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. 'Of course you don't — till I tell you. I meant "there's a nice knock-down argument for you!"'
'But "glory" doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument",' Alice objected.
'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master — that's all.'



This is why you can't discuss anything with them - because since no one has a definition for "collusion", they use it any way they please.

As in - "I colluded with my wife today over lunch".
What does it mean? You talked with them privately? You held an informal meeting? You asked them to clarify something with a few questions?
You nefariously sought to overthrow a government and otherwise joined in a conspiracy to throw an election in exchange for favorable treatment?

To the left - the answer is, yes, to any and all of them, even though ONE is a crime and the others are not.

So yeah, it makes a lot of sense to nail down what is meant by "colluded" because like Humpty Dumpty, they can get it to mean whatever they want.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
So yeah, it makes a lot of sense to nail down what is meant by "colluded" because like Humpty Dumpty, they can get it to mean whatever they want.


:yay:


Well said as usual .. expect some invectives to be forth coming
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
:yay:


Well said as usual .. expect some invectives to be forth coming
Oh undoubtedly - stuff like I don't know what the word means.
Yes I know what it means - I don't know what YOU mean, because apparently you can make contact with the Russian embassy
during the transition to the inauguration - and that somehow can be conspiratorial.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
"I never said there was no collusion between the campaign, or people in the campaign," Giuliani told CNN's left-leaning Chris Cuomo. "I have no idea if ..."

"Yes, you have," Cuomo interrupted.

"I have not," said Giuliani in his trademark combative manner. "I said the President of the United States. There is not a single bit of evidence the President of the United States committed the only crime you can commit here, conspiring with the Russians to hack the DNC."

Giuliani has repeatedly hammered the "no collusion" theme and echoed Trump's dismissal of the Robert Mueller investigation as a partisan "witch hunt" that has veered from its original mandate. On Wednesday, he again asserted unequivocally that Trump himself did not collude with Russia, but also said that it was impossible for him to know if someone on his campaign had attempted to work with Russian contacts on their own.

In response to Giuliani's reference to the lack of any evidence that Trump is connected to the crime of hacking the DNC, Cuomo said, "First of all, crime is not the bar of accountability for a president. It's about what you know, what was right and what was wrong, and what did you deceive about."

"Well, he didn't collude with Russia, either," said Giuliani, stressing again: "The president did not collude with the Russians, whatever 'collusion' is."

Cuomo responded by saying that Trump has said no one in his campaign colluded with Russia.

"He didn't say nobody. He said he didn't," said Giuliani. "How would you know nobody in your campaign ..."


https://www.dailywire.com/news/42316/watch-heres-giulianis-fiery-collusion-interview-james-barrett
 

Sapidus

New Member
"I never said there was no collusion between the campaign, or people in the campaign," Giuliani told CNN's left-leaning Chris Cuomo. "I have no idea if ..."

"Yes, you have," Cuomo interrupted.

"I have not," said Giuliani in his trademark combative manner. "I said the President of the United States. There is not a single bit of evidence the President of the United States committed the only crime you can commit here, conspiring with the Russians to hack the DNC."

Giuliani has repeatedly hammered the "no collusion" theme and echoed Trump's dismissal of the Robert Mueller investigation as a partisan "witch hunt" that has veered from its original mandate. On Wednesday, he again asserted unequivocally that Trump himself did not collude with Russia, but also said that it was impossible for him to know if someone on his campaign had attempted to work with Russian contacts on their own.

In response to Giuliani's reference to the lack of any evidence that Trump is connected to the crime of hacking the DNC, Cuomo said, "First of all, crime is not the bar of accountability for a president. It's about what you know, what was right and what was wrong, and what did you deceive about."

"Well, he didn't collude with Russia, either," said Giuliani, stressing again: "The president did not collude with the Russians, whatever 'collusion' is."

Cuomo responded by saying that Trump has said no one in his campaign colluded with Russia.

"He didn't say nobody. He said he didn't," said Giuliani. "How would you know nobody in your campaign ..."


https://www.dailywire.com/news/42316/watch-heres-giulianis-fiery-collusion-interview-james-barrett


You can highlight whatever you want Komrad but the truth is they are deliberately moving the goal posts (and changing their stories from earlier just as they have done dozens of times)to try to lessen the impact once it becomes clear that the campaign did in fact collude with Russia.
 
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