continued freakout over guns

[Inkd]

So, the solution is MRAP's, hyper aggressive cops and all the stories and documentation of abuse of power and authority? Just all or nothing? That it? MOST cops due a fabulous job of balancing their authority and their discretion. Not all do. The ones that #### up cause enormous harm. The police should never be seen as covering for their own. Never. Your brother can tell you how it really is. Maybe cops never cover for one anothers mistakes. Maybe there is no reason to do anything but trust them absolutely.

You're right, most cops do a great job. Some, not so much. But no one ever talks about the good ones. Only stories you ever hear about are when they do something wrong.

Sometimes, in my opinion, yes, MRAPS and hyper aggression is needed. I don't want to kick a door in or go into a situation where shots are fired with some partner who has to analyze every action. Wonder whether or not someone will get pissed off if a criminal gets thrown to the ground and have a video of that one incident. But no one gets to see the incident that led to the cops being called in the first place. If my brother was a cop in St. Louis, you are goddamned right I would want him to have an MRAP. Several in fact. Shields batons, rubber bullets, tear gas, any damn thing he needs to make sure he makes it home. Several cop cars were burned. How many MRAPS got torched?

My brother has told me about how it really is. Ninety percent of the people he deals with on a daily basis are $hitbags who call 911 cause someone on PCP is running around naked smearing #### on their cars. Then when he gets there and has to fight with said person, he has 10 or 15 hoodrats around him yelling at him and pointing phones at him saying "you dint have to throw pookie down like that, he only fvcked up on some ice, he wunt hurn no one, just throwin some #### 'roun".

He works in Pennsauken, New Jersey, which borders up to Camden, New Jersey. Iwish he drove a damn MRAP every day.

 

[GURPS]

Excellent post.

It is a simple fact that every one of us is hard wired for fight or flight.

how many citizens are caught off guard ? - huh you want what, I ain't doing anything wrong - but a hyper aggressive cop gets in your face




that teen with the Airsoft AK-47 earlier this yr, the cop was yelling at him near a busy road from 50 ft away .... I don't know how great your hearing is, but a normal reaction is to turn around and see who is yelling at you

in this case it got a teen dead in 9 seconds, from the time the officer saw him, until he was dead

 

[Larry Gude]

You're right, most cops do a great job. Some, not so much. But no one ever talks about the good ones. Only stories you ever hear about are when they do something wrong.

Sometimes, in my opinion, yes, MRAPS and hyper aggression is needed. I don't want to kick a door in or go into a situation where shots are fired with some partner who has to analyze every action. Wonder whether or not someone will get pissed off if a criminal gets thrown to the ground and have a video of that one incident. But no one gets to see the incident that led to the cops being called in the first place. If my brother was a cop in St. Louis, you are goddamned right I would want him to have an MRAP. Several in fact. Shields batons, rubber bullets, tear gas, any damn thing he needs to make sure he makes it home. Several cop cars were burned. How many MRAPS got torched?

My brother has told me about how it really is. Ninety percent of the people he deals with on a daily basis are $hitbags who call 911 cause someone on PCP is running around naked smearing #### on their cars. Then when he gets there and has to fight with said person, he has 10 or 15 hoodrats around him yelling at him and pointing phones at him saying "you dint have to throw pookie down like that, he only fvcked up on some ice, he wunt hurn no one, just throwin some #### 'roun".

He works in Pennsauken, New Jersey, which borders up to Camden, New Jersey. Iwish he drove a damn MRAP every day.

At the end of the day, this is OUR fault for laying these expectations on them. We should end drug prohibition and deal with it as a health issue, which it is. The vast majority of the violence and corruption goes away, making your bro MUCH safer and then he'll be dealing with people who get out of hand when they're high but, we'll treat it, and support them, like we did with alcohol; brotha' had it comin'. Most of the hostility towards cops comes from the cynicism blacks see over drugs where the society seems all too happy to enjoy drugs, the profits from them and yet do little about the devastation it leaves behind. If we just deal with THAT, the personal harm, issues, rehab, and get rid of most of the violent crime, your brother is safer, bad neighborhoods are safer and we're dealing honestly with drugs and not so hypocritically.

 

[GURPS]

North Hollywood shootout. Cops were so outgunned a local gun shop gave the officers 2 AR's to use. Seven cops were shot. But, I guess that's okay. They were paid to take those bullets.

ah I see now, your brother is a LEO



indeed, how often does the North Hollywood shoot happen ?

when was the last time a Police Officer in MD was shot on duty with an AR / AK style weapon ?

 

[GURPS]

You're right, most cops do a great job. Some, not so much. But no one ever talks about the good ones. Only stories you ever hear about are when they do something wrong.

Sometimes, in my opinion, yes, MRAPS and hyper aggression is needed.

yeah well, it is way more often the sometimes

 

[Hank]

ah I see now, your brother is a LEO



indeed, how often does the North Hollywood shoot happen ?

when was the last time a Police Officer in MD was shot on duty with an AR / AK style weapon ?

So, you're saying criminals aren't using AR/AK style weapons vs. cops? Really?

 

[Larry Gude]

So, you're saying criminals aren't using AR/AK style weapons vs. cops? Really?

The stats show that to be VERY rare. I think there were 6 or 7 rifles used in Maryland's 6-700 homicides last year. And they were shotguns and long rifles. Not one AR or Ak style modern sporting rifle.

 

[Hank]

The stats show that to be VERY rare. I think there were 6 or 7 rifles used in Maryland's 6-700 homicides last year. And they were shotguns and long rifles. Not one AR or Ak style modern sporting rifle.

And why are you two limiting it to just Maryland stats. Regardless of whether or not they are shot by them, this is the type of weapon they are going up against when criminals are committing their crimes.

 

[Hank]

yeah well, it is way more often the sometimes

 

[Inkd]

ah I see now, your brother is a LEO



indeed, how often does the North Hollywood shoot happen ?

when was the last time a Police Officer in MD was shot on duty with an AR / AK style weapon ?

Yes, he is. But, I felt the same way before he got hired when I wound up on the Auxiliary Security Force in the Navy and saw some of the stupid shiat Military and Civilian law enforcement dealt with on a daily basis.

How many times does it have to happen? How many times do you get hit in the face before you either duck, run or hit back?

Just a few teenagers here on a joyride. Some misunderstood utes is all. No harm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kcjv8drjdk

 

[glhs837]

How many times does it happen? Really that there is some mongo shootout like the Hollywood one? the simple fact that you need to reach that far back says something. I'm all for officers having the tools and techniques they need. At the same time, we end up, I think, with a sort of "when you have a hammer, every problem is a nail". I dont give a rats ass about pookie, and know that most of these so-called incidents are BS. But, folks engaging in this debate seem to take the position that is you accept pookie getting a wood shampoo to settle his hash when needed, you must also accept a 12 year old kid getting gunned down, or a guy on a cell phone threatening no one getting killed in WalMart. What we are saying is that there needs to be judgement used. We as citizens have a right to expect that. And not. "Screw this, I'm gunning everything down and sorting it out later".

 

[Larry Gude]

And why are you two limiting it to just Maryland stats. Regardless of whether or not they are shot by them, this is the type of weapon they are going up against when criminals are committing their crimes.

Because they are the ones I know off the top of my head. These types of weapons are, of course, used but, they are very rare compared to hand guns and such

 

[Chris0nllyn]

So they don't take any more risks today? Wow, cool, I can tell my brother that there are no more risks. Leave the vest at home, lock up the gun. There are no more risks!!!!! Yipee!!!!!

Cops of yesterday didn't have to deal with a quarter of the crap that cops today have to deal with. Most disputes back then were handled with a lead sap. Nowadays everyone has a video camera and for some reason, criminals are the victims.

Crime is down overall, police killings are the lowest in years, but killings by police are very high.

 

[Hank]

Because they are the ones I know off the top of my head. These types of weapons are, of course, used but, they are very rare compared to hand guns and such

Pages and Pages

http://aattp.org/ohio-police-shootout-with-ak-47-wielding-suspect-caught-on-tapevideo/

http://www.whio.com/news/news/crime-law/officer-involved-shooting-reported-hamilton/ndP7H/

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Deputy-Recalls-Being-Shot-at-With-AK-47-186246811.html

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2006-05-13/news/0605130073_1_shootings-police-cruiser-parking-lot

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ak-47-bandit-strikes-nebraska-cops-article-1.1924520

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/texas-teen-brings-loaded-ak-47-handguns-school-officials-article-1.1771954

http://wwlp.com/2014/09/30/ak-47-bandit-linked-to-six-banks-and-attempted-murder/

 

[Larry Gude]

Pages and Pages

http://aattp.org/ohio-police-shootout-with-ak-47-wielding-suspect-caught-on-tapevideo/

http://www.whio.com/news/news/crime-law/officer-involved-shooting-reported-hamilton/ndP7H/

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Deputy-Recalls-Being-Shot-at-With-AK-47-186246811.html

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2006-05-13/news/0605130073_1_shootings-police-cruiser-parking-lot

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ak-47-bandit-strikes-nebraska-cops-article-1.1924520

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/texas-teen-brings-loaded-ak-47-handguns-school-officials-article-1.1771954

http://wwlp.com/2014/09/30/ak-47-bandit-linked-to-six-banks-and-attempted-murder/

You're being pedantic. You know it's a small number of the whole

 

[GURPS]

So, you're saying criminals aren't using AR/AK style weapons vs. cops? Really?

I know it is difficult for you to think, but try to keep up


I never said NEVER .... I asked how often a shoot out like NH happens

and No not really, MOST shootings involve handguns, they are easier to conceal



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MD made / has made a huge deal about how dangerous AR / AK platforms are
... SKS is on the list somewhere further down

and politicians have done their best to ban an entire class of weapons - ONE of the primary reasons always give is a gang banger with an AK 47 and a 30 rnd mag is a threat to LEO's


the last shooting I heard about was with an SKS and that was more than 10 yrs ago

 

[GURPS]

You're being pedantic. You know it's a small number of the whole

ofc he is

 

[Hijinx]

If it were up to me police would go back to using revolvers.

You have to think twice before dumping 6 bullets into someone with a revolver.

 

[Inkd]

How many times does it happen? Really that there is some mongo shootout like the Hollywood one? the simple fact that you need to reach that far back says something. I'm all for officers having the tools and techniques they need. At the same time, we end up, I think, with a sort of "when you have a hammer, every problem is a nail". I dont give a rats ass about pookie, and know that most of these so-called incidents are BS. But, folks engaging in this debate seem to take the position that is you accept pookie getting a wood shampoo to settle his hash when needed, you must also accept a 12 year old kid getting gunned down, or a guy on a cell phone threatening no one getting killed in WalMart. What we are saying is that there needs to be judgement used. We as citizens have a right to expect that. And not. "Screw this, I'm gunning everything down and sorting it out later".

And I ask you, same as I already asked someone here. How many times does it have to happen? If you drive 80 miles an hour down a road and hit a deer at night, the next time you drive that road at night, what are you going to do differently? Drive slower, use high beams if possible?

Every time something like that happens, lessons should be learned from it. One of the lessons learned from that incident was that the cops were seriously outgunned.

 

[Inkd]

If it were up to me police would go back to using revolvers.

You have to think twice before dumping 6 bullets into someone with a revolver.

Actually you don't, you just have to reload sooner.