Court rejects death penalty for raping children

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Court rejects death penalty for child rape - MSNBC.com
Ruling states execution would violate ban on cruel and unusual punishment

"Violate cruel and unusual punishment"

Effing unbelievable!!!

"The punishment has to be porportional to the crime." AND RAPING CHILDREN ISN'T BAD ENOUGH OF A CRIME FOR THE DEATH PENALTY!?!?!?!

 

[Inkpen]

but then again..many dont live long in prison....thus saving the taxpayers $$$

 

[Pandora]

I agree with the decision. You cannot possibly impose a blanket decision allowable under all cases, in which, a person is charged with child rape because in each case, the circumstances vary. Say for instance…

- A person can be charged with child rape, years after the fact, where the victim recalls some but not all details of the said offense and there is no rape kit evidence.

-A male 19 or 20 years of age can be charged with child rape when the victim willing had sex with them and/or was dishonest about their age, and it was later learned they were only 13-14 years old.

 

[BOP]

didn't one kid in GA or someplace like that get charged with statutory rape, even though he was 18 and his gf was, what, months away from being of age?

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

I agree with the decision. You cannot possibly impose a blanket decision allowable under all cases, in which, a person is charged with child rape because in each case, the circumstances vary. Say for instance…

- A person can be charged with child rape, years after the fact, where the victim recalls some but not all details of the said offense and there is no rape kit evidence.

-A male 19 or 20 years of age can be charged with child rape when the victim willing had sex with them and/or was dishonest about their age, and it was later learned they were only 13-14 years old.

And a jury is not capable of deciding when the death penalty should be imposed and when it's not? :question:

And no jury in the world can possibly be dumb enough to give some 19-20 year old the death penalty for consentual sex with a 13, 14, 15, 16 year old girl. C'mon man. No sane prosecuter is going to advocate the death penalty for that, inane. I mean, come on, common sense.

I think the death penalty should be an option for sentencing for rape, used appropriately. But no judge or jury is going to give a suspected rapist the death penalty if the evidence isn't overwhelming that the crime was beyond henious. I mean, hell, most rape cases I read about the accused gets 5-10, sometimes 20 (if the crime was beyond henious) years.

They said in the video report on msnbc.com that there were 2 people on death row for cases of child rape, and less than a dozen going through the court system where the death penalty is an option on the prosecuters' table.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

didn't one kid in GA or someplace like that get charged with statutory rape, even though he was 18 and his gf was, what, months away from being of age?

He wasn't sentenced to death.

And he was freed because the law was overturned and a federal court determined keeping him locked up for ten years was cruel and unusual punishment. The judge in that case was insane, and his imprisonment was inane and everybody knew that. It was only a matter of time before he was freed, especially considering the law had been changed since he was sentenced.

 

[Dork]

Court rejects death penalty for child rape - MSNBC.com
Ruling states execution would violate ban on cruel and unusual punishment

"Violate cruel and unusual punishment"

Effing unbelievable!!!

"The punishment has to be porportional to the crime." AND RAPING CHILDREN ISN'T BAD ENOUGH OF A CRIME FOR THE DEATH PENALTY!?!?!?!

Raping a child is a horrific crime but where do you draw the line when it comes to the death penalty. Is it just a few days off of being a statutory rape of a relationship that was consensual or is a case where a grown man abducted a 9 year old girl and raped her? Are these just sick people who need to be locked up for life or do they really need to be killed? After all, a person attracted to kids is just as perverted as a man attracted to another man's anus for sex. It's all perverted stuff. I'd say we just lock child molester and homos up for life and be done with it. They are all sick!

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Raping a child is a horrific crime but where do you draw the line when it comes to the death penalty. Is it just a few days off of being a statutory rape of a relationship that was consensual or is a case where a grown man abducted a 9 year old girl and raped her? Are these just sick people who need to be locked up for life or do they really need to be killed? After all, a person attracted to kids is just as perverted as a man attracted to another man's anus for sex. It's all perverted stuff. I'd say we just lock child molester and homos up for life and be done with it. They are all sick!

Age shouldn't be an issue - rape is rape. If it's statutory rape, call it statutory rape and treat it differently. But when it's textbook rape, and when the evidence shows the circumstances of this horrific rape merit the death penalty, excercise it accordingly.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

I agree with the VRAIBLONDE THEORY. We need to sentence more people to death for crimes, especially repeat offenders. And we need to do so quickly. They need to put Ron White's Express Lane in at death row.

 

[Go G-Men]

I agree with the decision. You cannot possibly impose a blanket decision allowable under all cases, in which, a person is charged with child rape because in each case, the circumstances vary. Say for instance…

- A person can be charged with child rape, years after the fact, where the victim recalls some but not all details of the said offense and there is no rape kit evidence.

-A male 19 or 20 years of age can be charged with child rape when the victim willing had sex with them and/or was dishonest about their age, and it was later learned they were only 13-14 years old.

You would be singing a different tune if it was your 6 or 7 year old that was raped!!

Anyone in America (with a few exceptions) who is charged with murder can be given the Death Penalty but most don't the death penalty

 

[PulseStart]

You're not on the court ...

And a jury is not capable of deciding when the death penalty should be imposed and when it's not? :question:

And no jury in the world can possibly be dumb enough to give some 19-20 year old the death penalty for consentual sex with a 13, 14, 15, 16 year old girl. C'mon man. No sane prosecuter is going to advocate the death penalty for that, inane. I mean, come on, common sense.

I think the death penalty should be an option for sentencing for rape, used appropriately. But no judge or jury is going to give a suspected rapist the death penalty if the evidence isn't overwhelming that the crime was beyond henious. I mean, hell, most rape cases I read about the accused gets 5-10, sometimes 20 (if the crime was beyond henious) years.

They said in the video report on msnbc.com that there were 2 people on death row for cases of child rape, and less than a dozen going through the court system where the death penalty is an option on the prosecuters' table.

When you get there, lets us know.

 

[Pandora]

There was much more to this story than posted, she was vaginally and anally raped and did require surgery to repair torn tissue, and although that is terrible to even consider as is, she is still alive, which is one of the things the U.S. Supreme Court said during the discussions on this was that if the death penality is going to be imposed for child rape and for murder, these offenders may not be willing to take their chances on their manipulation tactics and go ahead and murder them because the sentence is going to be the same if caught anyway. Of course this is based on presumption by the court and many may agree or disagree.

^^ I hope I worded that right, but if not, you can read it for yourself.

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/07-343.pdf

You also have to take into consideration the emotional aspects the child victim would have to contend with if they also knew that the offender was executed for the crime(s) against them. If it is a stranger, that isn't too difficult, but in this case, this young girl had an established bond with the offender; she was his step daughter.

Studies have shown, and of course this is based on the recidivism rate of these offenders that sexually assault a stranger victim (one known less than 24 hours) is at high risk to offend again. Those that sexually assault a known victim, one whom they have had a relationship with over time, are least likely.

The problem I have here, although I do agree with the U.S. Supreme Court on this particular case, is that it puts a blanket ruling out there for ALL THE STATES and they have now lost the option of going on a case by case bases.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

When you get there, lets us know.

Tom's posting about the court.....Oh, the irony!

There are SO MANY things I could say on this subject right now.

 

[PulseStart]

Meet Associate Justice

There was much more to this story than posted, she was vaginally and anally raped and did require surgery to repair torn tissue, and although that is terrible to even consider as is, she is still alive, which is one of the things the U.S. Supreme Court said during the discussions on this was that if the death penality is going to be imposed for child rape and for murder, these offenders may not be willing to take their chances on their manipulation tactics and go ahead and murder them because the sentence is going to be the same if caught anyway. Of course this is based on presumption by the court and many may agree or disagree.

^^ I hope I worded that right, but if not, you can read it for yourself.

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/07-343.pdf

You also have to take into consideration the emotional aspects the child victim would have to contend with if they also knew that the offender was executed for the crime(s) against them. If it is a stranger, that isn't too difficult, but in this case, this young girl had an established bond with the offender; she was his step daughter.

Studies have shown, and of course this is based on the recidivism rate of these offenders that sexually assault a stranger victim (one known less than 24 hours) is at high risk to offend again. Those that sexually assault a known victim, one whom they have had a relationship with over time, are least likely.

The problem I have here, although I do agree with the U.S. Supreme Court on this particular case, is that it puts a blanket ruling out there for ALL THE STATES and they have now lost the option of going on a case by case bases.

Pandora!

 

[PulseStart]

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Tom's posting about the court.....Oh, the irony!

There are SO MANY things MMdad could tell me on this subject right now.

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[AndyMarquisLIVE]

The problem I have here, although I do agree with the U.S. Supreme Court on this particular case, is that it puts a blanket ruling out there for ALL THE STATES and they have now lost the option of going on a case by case bases.

That's my biggest problem. I'm not even talking about child rape. Even the rape of an adult woman should have the death penalty option. They may not kill the woman, but she sure as hell wishes she was dead in the days and months after. There is no crime worse or more cowardly than the raping (and I mean genuine rape not the Mickey Mouse stuff that keeps getting thrown up in what-ifs) of a woman or child.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

FAIL.

 

[PulseStart]

There was much more to this story than posted, she was vaginally and anally raped and did require surgery to repair torn tissue, and although that is terrible to even consider as is, she is still alive, which is one of the things the U.S. Supreme Court said during the discussions on this was that if the death penality is going to be imposed for child rape and for murder, these offenders may not be willing to take their chances on their manipulation tactics and go ahead and murder them because the sentence is going to be the same if caught anyway. Of course this is based on presumption by the court and many may agree or disagree.

^^ I hope I worded that right, but if not, you can read it for yourself.

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/07-343.pdf

You also have to take into consideration the emotional aspects the child victim would have to contend with if they also knew that the offender was executed for the crime(s) against them. If it is a stranger, that isn't too difficult, but in this case, this young girl had an established bond with the offender; she was his step daughter.

Studies have shown, and of course this is based on the recidivism rate of these offenders that sexually assault a stranger victim (one known less than 24 hours) is at high risk to offend again. Those that sexually assault a known victim, one whom they have had a relationship with over time, are least likely.

The problem I have here, although I do agree with the U.S. Supreme Court on this particular case, is that it puts a blanket ruling out there for ALL THE STATES and they have now lost the option of going on a case by case bases.

Your problem is you are like MMDad and you think your smart.

 

[Ken King]

I think that the Supreme Court fell short on this one. To me child rape is more heinous than murder and deserves the maximum punishment when proven beyond reasonable doubt.

Studies have shown, and of course this is based on the recidivism rate of these offenders that sexually assault a stranger victim (one known less than 24 hours) is at high risk to offend again. Those that sexually assault a known victim, one whom they have had a relationship with over time, are least likely.

Did you catch the text on page 6 of the decision where it states "The State presented the testimony of S. L., who is the cousin and goddaughter of petitioner’s ex-wife. S. L. testified that petitioner sexually abused her three times when she was eight years old and that the last time involved sexual intercourse. Id., at 772. She did not tell anyone until two years later and did not pursue legal action." If that was true then he was a statistical abnormality and if not dealt with would probably do it again. And, if true, death was what this vermin deserved.

 

[PulseStart]

It did fall short...

I think that the Supreme Court fell short on this one. To me child rape is more heinous than murder and deserves the maximum punishment when proven beyond reasonable doubt.

Did you catch the text on page 6 of the decision where it states "The State presented the testimony of S. L., who is the cousin and goddaughter of petitioner’s ex-wife. S. L. testified that petitioner sexually abused her three times when she was eight years old and that the last time involved sexual intercourse. Id., at 772. She did not tell anyone until two years later and did not pursue legal action." If that was true then he was a statistical abnormality and if not dealt with would probably do it again. And, if true, death was what this vermin deserved.

By 5 liberal opinions, let's see how the gun ruling turns out tomorrow and then we worry about what an Obama can do to this court!