CRE Single Lot/Homeowners Owners, It's Time To Speak Up!

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residentofcre

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exnodak said:
dgate80 is right. But, it is a little more complicated.

Member meetings and Board meetings are distinctly different. A notice cannot be sent calling a "member meeting" and then just because there is no quorum, switch gears and call it a Board meeting.

The notice requirements AND agenda requirements are distinctly different.

For a member meeting to be held a written notice must be mailed to each and every MEMBER OF THE ASSOCIATION with specific information concerning the business to be conducted at least 15 days prior to that meeting. The RUT would suffice if timing is correct.

For a BOARD meeting, the notice only goes to the Board members a few days ahead of the meeting.

A MEMBER meeting is conducted by the MEMBERS and presided over by the President. The rest of the Board just sits on the bench and REPORTS to the members as needed/required. In the POACRE format, there are statutory committees that must report to the MEMBERSHIP on community performance.

A BOARD meeting is conducted by the BOARD and is presided over by the President and the MEMBERS sit on the bench and observe the proceedings.

Bottom line...they can't be co-mingled or switched without chaos and a lot of anger erupting.
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Great googly-moogly.... very well stated and incredibly easy to understand...

There will be a MEMBER MEETING on October 20th @ 10AM.... It's the regularly scheduled Fall Meeting as called for in the Bylaws. The October Newsletter will be going out first class mail in a week or so.

The Board passed a motion to post the budget on the website @ www.poacre.org so all the members will have an opportunity to take a look at it before the meeting.

Is there anything else the membership would like the Board members to be ready to address? :coffee:
 
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dgates80

Land of the lost
The CRE BOD voted to post not just the current budget but also all future budgets as they become available on the web site.

In hindsight, I would have liked to have seen a specific time frame for the posting to occur included in the motion-- say, within 10 calandar days after approval by the BOD seems reasonable -- but that thought did not occur to me at the time.

This seemingly minor step has huge ramifications towards the establishment of fiscal transparancy within the CRE HOA, something I feel is sorely lacking. Yes, I could attend more meetings, and yes, I could go into the office and request the budget.... but this key vote makes it MUCH easier for ANYONE that is interested to get the facts at their leisure and without admin needing to spend time to do so.
 
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dgates80

Land of the lost
What happened?

residentofcre said:
I have asked to put this on the agenda for Saturday the 15th. If it's successful it will come up for discussion. It would then come up during the October Member's meeting. I would appreciate it if those who are interested mark their calendars for both meetings. That's Saturday, September the 15th and October the 13th... 10AM
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I was late showing up for the meeting. The "one lot, one fee" issue was indeed on the agenda, however it perhaps was dealt with before i arrived. What happened? I believe we're talking covenents section 20 & 22 interpretation? Was this even discussed?
 
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residentofcre

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dgates80 said:
I was late showing up for the meeting. The "one lot, one fee" issue was indeed on the agenda, however it perhaps was dealt with before i arrived. What happened? I believe we're talking covenents section 20 & 22 interpretation? Was this even discussed?
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We put it off until the first meeting in October because we were going to have to discuss it with the attorney. We had an administrative session planned witht the attorney right after the meeting anyway... so it made sense to move it at the last minute...

The interpretation of #20 Covenant is still up in the air. I would really suggest that we discuss this at the next Member Meeting. If you would like, I will send a copy of the email to the Board to let them know that this is something you would like us to be ready to discuss.

Covenant #22 really has no need for interpretation but it does need to be cleared up.

There are two areas in the Covenants that need to be changed desperately. One states that the water wells in the Soundings must be Stainess Steel. While this was state of the art when the covenants were written, it is no longer the case and would be doing a disservice to the members in the Soundings if the Board had to inforce it. The other has to do with the loan repayment that has long since been over and done with.
 
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exnodak

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The covenants are no longer enforcable in the Soundings. At least not by POACRE.

POACRE released the Soundings from all member obligations after they petitioned to secede in the early 90's. They haven't been POACRE since.

The strange thing is that the covenenants still apply, only enforceable by the Soundings Civic Association. They may have been amended by them since.

The precedent was set by the separation of Drum Point from the CRC, Inc. during the Old Court scandal. In a different way, the Golf Course properties along Cove Point Road and Truman Road have also seceded. I don't believe any of them are now subject to the CRE covenants or pay our roads fees and M&O. So, it is possible for entire neighborhoods to secede from the HOA so long as they form their own HOA to for covenant protection. All it would take is a petition drive.

So, messing with the covenants isn't quite such a safe thing to do. It could mean the total disintegration of POACRE.
 
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residentofcre

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exnodak said:
The covenants are no longer enforcable in the Soundings. At least not by POACRE.

POACRE released the Soundings from all member obligations after they petitioned to secede in the early 90's. They haven't been POACRE since.

The strange thing is that the covenenants still apply, only enforceable by the Soundings Civic Association. They may have been amended by them since.

The precedent was set by the separation of Drum Point from the CRC, Inc. during the Old Court scandal. In a different way, the Golf Course properties along Cove Point Road and Truman Road have also seceded. I don't believe any of them are now subject to the CRE covenants or pay our roads fees and M&O. So, it is possible for entire neighborhoods to secede from the HOA so long as they form their own HOA to for covenant protection. All it would take is a petition drive.

So, messing with the covenants isn't quite such a safe thing to do. It could mean the total disintegration of POACRE.
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There are stil POACRE properties in the Soundings. CRE is responsible for several roads over there.

It takes a lot more than a petition...
 
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exnodak

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Sorry, but you need to check your facts. You may be thinking of the T section. Thats the only place POACRE maintains roads (not) in that neighborhood. The T section is the next to go. They have been talking breakaway for several years. In fact, the only roads in the Soundings are county roads.

If you've never been back there you should go. The Soundings boundary is marked by a set of white gate posts. CRE road crews DO NOT go past that point.

The Soundings is definitelyseparated from POACRE.
 
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residentofcre

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exnodak said:
Sorry, but you need to check your facts. You may be thinking of the T section. Thats the only place POACRE maintains roads (not) in that neighborhood. The T section is the next to go. They have been talking breakaway for several years. In fact, the only roads in the Soundings are county roads.

If you've never been back there you should go. The Soundings boundary is marked by a set of white gate posts. CRE road crews DO NOT go past that point.

The Soundings is definitelyseparated from POACRE.
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OH... you are correct again... I have been back in the T section looking at the potholes... sorry... I keep thinking of everything off of Soundings as Soundings....
 
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exnodak

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Easy mistake, and most people don't know the difference. Back to the point however.

Drum Point separated during the bankruptcy phase without objection.
The Soundings successfully seceded based on a petition drive.
The Golf Course section just simply walked away without argument.

Three precedents. All that any one of them had to do was claim "Failure to perform to the HOA contract with the Homeowners to operate and maintain within the prescribed budget". This was the birth of the STD concept because roads was, and always will be, the bugaboo.

Now, if you do the math properly the budget makes no sense. In the 1980's with less than 800 M&O fees, the amenities were kept up beautifully. Granted, inflation has eaten away, but now there are 5 times as many M&O fees being collected to maintain one fifth the amenities.

Here's a clue. It's in the Admin budget.
 
Midnightrider

Midnightrider

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exnodak said:
Easy mistake, and most people don't know the difference. Back to the point however.

Drum Point separated during the bankruptcy phase without objection.
The Soundings successfully seceded based on a petition drive.
The Golf Course section just simply walked away without argument.

Three precedents. All that any one of them had to do was claim "Failure to perform to the HOA contract with the Homeowners to operate and maintain within the prescribed budget". This was the birth of the STD concept because roads was, and always will be, the bugaboo.

Now, if you do the math properly the budget makes no sense. In the 1980's with less than 800 M&O fees, the amenities were kept up beautifully. Granted, inflation has eaten away, but now there are 5 times as many M&O fees being collected to maintain one fifth the amenities.

Here's a clue. It's in the Admin budget.
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thats the truth right there.

they wont ever make it work as long as they are spending more than half the money on salaries and compensation.....
 
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residentofcre

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exnodak said:
Easy mistake, and most people don't know the difference. Back to the point however.

Drum Point separated during the bankruptcy phase without objection.
The Soundings successfully seceded based on a petition drive.
The Golf Course section just simply walked away without argument.

Three precedents. All that any one of them had to do was claim "Failure to perform to the HOA contract with the Homeowners to operate and maintain within the prescribed budget". This was the birth of the STD concept because roads was, and always will be, the bugaboo.

Now, if you do the math properly the budget makes no sense. In the 1980's with less than 800 M&O fees, the amenities were kept up beautifully. Granted, inflation has eaten away, but now there are 5 times as many M&O fees being collected to maintain one fifth the amenities.

Here's a clue. It's in the Admin budget.
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I am pleased to say that the Board has now voted to put the 2007 Budget on the Website for you to use. I'm pretty sure that June will let us know as soon as she gets it on the website.

Also... I am please to say that the Treasurer has been working on comparing actuals to the Budget. She has cut a lot more out of the proposed budget that Finance presented to us. It's really getting to look much better. The members of the Board are working on it as well since the Treasurer actually bound it in report form for us with some actual invoices to back up some of the possible cuts.

And finally.... I broached the subject of re-aligning how Admin works. It seems to me that there is a lot more emphasis on Roads that there has been on M&O. It seems to me that we should re-align the priorities of Admin from Operations to Roads. Back in the late 90's there was a work order system for road repairs which as been tossed over the past few years. I would like to bring that back [as I have said before on these forums] with a sign off required by the person who originally put in the complaint. More accountability... is what I am getting at... and some on the Board that I have had a chance to discuss this with are pleased.
 
REBEL

REBEL

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ladyhawk said:
If you called your neighbors, and they called theirs and so on and so on.... ect... We might get lucky! What can I say, I'm an optimist most of the time!

June
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That would imply that I know their numbers and I do not! I do not meet with their standards. I do not drink ,I do not smoke, I do not make enough money, I do not keep up with football or Nascar and yes I am a smart ass at times. But hey some of the people that WANTED to be Elected officials could try and do that or maybe they just wanted the POWER and not the Responsibility.
 
ladyhawk

ladyhawk

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REBEL said:
That would imply that I know their numbers and I do not! I do not meet with their standards. I do not drink ,I do not smoke, I do not make enough money, I do not keep up with football or Nascar and yes I am a smart ass at times. But hey some of the people that WANTED to be Elected officials could try and do that or maybe they just wanted the POWER and not the Responsibility.
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:lmao: You sound a lot like me. I don't fit in with my neighbors either but at least when something important is up, I am neighborly enough to notify them.. Guess I should be glad you don't live next door to me! LOL

As far as Power?????? What power???? We've haven't had any control since we got elected so who are you kidding.... :killingme
 
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FlyuntiedFC

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residentofcre said:
I am pleased to say that the Board has now voted to put the 2007 Budget on the Website for you to use. I'm pretty sure that June will let us know as soon as she gets it on the website.

Also... I am please to say that the Treasurer has been working on comparing actuals to the Budget. She has cut a lot more out of the proposed budget that Finance presented to us. It's really getting to look much better. The members of the Board are working on it as well since the Treasurer actually bound it in report form for us with some actual invoices to back up some of the possible cuts.

And finally.... I broached the subject of re-aligning how Admin works. It seems to me that there is a lot more emphasis on Roads that there has been on M&O. It seems to me that we should re-align the priorities of Admin from Operations to Roads. Back in the late 90's there was a work order system for road repairs which as been tossed over the past few years. I would like to bring that back [as I have said before on these forums] with a sign off required by the person who originally put in the complaint. More accountability... is what I am getting at... and some on the Board that I have had a chance to discuss this with are pleased.
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Ok exactly who is in charge of realigning admin? In a post below it is the GM's job correct? This is a good idea, accountability. Something that has been sorely lacking all the way around.
 
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Marie

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REBEL said:
That would imply that I know their numbers and I do not! I do not meet with their standards. I do not drink ,I do not smoke, I do not make enough money, I do not keep up with football or Nascar and yes I am a smart ass at times. But hey some of the people that WANTED to be Elected officials could try and do that or maybe they just wanted the POWER and not the Responsibility.
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Hey wanna a date ;-)
LOL Too Funny
Just saying hey :)

Of course you have to leave that Yankee woman beating stick at home!

Yankee by birth Rebel by choice!
 
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ladyhawk

ladyhawk

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FlyuntiedFC said:
Ok exactly who is in charge of realigning admin? In a post below it is the GM's job correct? This is a good idea, accountability. Something that has been sorely lacking all the way around.
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So so true...
 
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exnodak

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I have a question on the financials. Actually this is probably best directed toward residentofcre or any other board member that was on the board last year.

On the very first line: M&0 fees show an increase in fees budgeted between '07 and '08. It is an increase of $76,382. If there are only X number of lots in CRE paying M&O, there is no resolution to Covenant #21 interpretation yet, and there is no per lot increase in M&O fees, how is it that the budget can increase at all? Is there a magical mystery ATM machine somewhere?

And, remind me please; what is one M&O fee worth?

The middle column should have been removed after the vote determined it wasn't going to happen.

Also, where is the roads budget, and why is there roads admin expense being shown as an adjustment to M&O Admin. That would be an improper transfer between funds in my estimation. Maybe a violation of GAAP or GASB? Thats really a comment more than a question.

When I get an answer to my question about the first line, we can go on to the second line, and then the third, and so on. I don't have much else to do. Obviously.
 
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