Crossing The Line: What's OK To Say?

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

All day today, MSNBC is discussing what is okay to say in particular topics at work or wherever else?

Whenever MSNBC does special reports, it's worth watching.

I'll be watching...

 

[Larry Gude]

That might be interesting...

...because Imus said something that became worthy of universal condemnation and losing his job, yet most heads on TV, including your moron hero Keif, repeat it, word for word, without batting an eyelash.

Compare that to the dreaded 'N' word. When the comedian, (Michael's? whatever his name), said THE "N" WORD, no one repeated, at least not the heads; they all said 'THE 'N' WORD'.

So, for what it's worth, we can, it seems, actually say 'nappy headed ho's' but we can not say THE 'N' WORD.

Is this a distinction without a difference? Or a difference without distinction?
Or...?

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

...because Imus said something that became worthy of universal condemnation and losing his job, yet most heads on TV, including your moron hero Keif, repeat it, word for word, without batting an eyelash.

Compare that to the dreaded 'N' word. When the comedian, (Michael's? whatever his name), said THE "N" WORD, no one repeated, at least not the heads; they all said 'THE 'N' WORD'.

So, for what it's worth, we can, it seems, actually say 'nappy headed ho's' but we can not say THE 'N' WORD.

Is this a distinction without a difference? Or a difference without distinction?
Or...?

They showed Mr. Sharpton speaking and sure enough instead of saying "hos and the n word" he had to pronounce out what that meant? Is that acceptable for Mr. Sharpton to say?

 

[Larry Gude]

I'd...

They showed Mr. Sharpton speaking and sure enough instead of saying "hos and the n word" he had to pronounce out what that meant? Is that acceptable for Mr. Sharpton to say?

...fire him! This is going to become a mockery in no time. There's only so long that people can keep of the pretense of being offended or hurt by a freaking word.

Good Lord. Show a picture of a black man, hung from a tree in the old South. You don't have to have any pretense ever again as that ugly image will be with you forever. That's the thing, the real issue; the dehumanizing, that leads to violence; Jew, ###, ######, Pole, Nazi, etc.

'Nappy head ho' just doesn't have that same searing quality and that's why clowns like Sharpton and Jackson, people who carry NO moral weight, are not the ones to be leading any public outcry over this kind of thing.

I'd ask Imus "Would you call them that to their face?" And leave it at that.

 

[mrweb]

...fire him!

Does he actually have a job from which to be fired?

 

[forestal]

Hey, Don Imus is free to say whatever the hell he wants...he just can't use a radio station, backed by advertisers who want people to buy their products, to say it.

 

[bcp]

what I understand from watching tv, and hearing the radio, I have come to this simple rule.
If for instance you are black, you may at any time in any place.
1) refer to white people in any manner you feel is appropriate.
honky, redneck, trailer trash, etc.. will all be accepted as part of your culture and therefore on within limits of attack for racism.
2) make jokes about white people putting them in unkind light, or making them out to be stupid and ignorant.
3) attack white people, providing they looked at you, or walked on the same street as you.

if you are white you may at any time in any place
have the right to shut up, not say a word, not look at a person of color, not resist if you are being robbed by a person of color, you may not make jokes or comments.

you may at any time
apologize for slavery and give them your money.


hope this clears it up.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Hey, Don Imus is free to say whatever the hell he wants...he just can't use a radio station, backed by advertisers who want people to buy their products, to say it.

What a stupid thing to say. Do you know how many people listened to Imus? How many people listened for sports talk? How many listened for the intelectual political conversations, how many people listened for the live performances of popular music artists?

I've watched Imus on MSNBC for some 6 years now, I'm pissed off they (MSNBC, CBS) fired him. In the end of this debate though, I think he'll get the last laugh. He's an old bitter buffoon, but I enjoyed his show. I think he's bearing the brunt of 15 years of media hypocrisy and poor ethics of a great many people in radio, television, music, movies, etc.

This has revealed the hypocrisy of elements of the black race and the media.

The media discusses what is racist, then goes back to covering dead white stripper. :

I think them covering ANS and not Darfur is more racist than Imus' bad joke.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

No, not quite...

what I understand from watching tv, and hearing the radio, I have come to this simple rule.
If for instance you are black, you may at any time in any place.
1) refer to white people in any manner you feel is appropriate.
honky, redneck, trailer trash, etc.. will all be accepted as part of your culture and therefore on within limits of attack for racism.
2) make jokes about white people putting them in unkind light, or making them out to be stupid and ignorant.
3) attack white people, providing they looked at you, or walked on the same street as you.

if you are white you may at any time in any place
have the right to shut up, not say a word, not look at a person of color, not resist if you are being robbed by a person of color, you may not make jokes or comments.

you may at any time
apologize for slavery and give them your money.


hope this clears it up.

I've heard a lot, and I mean a lot, of African Americans condemn the hip hop culture and slam rappers like Snoopy Dog, Puffy Dick and 50 Cent.

I think the great majority of black people want this racial gap closed once and for all. The majority of them don't like Al Sharpton. Problem is we have loons like Qurious in our society here to tell us we're racist because and whatever.

 

[Chainsaw Slayer]

If you ask me. I think Al Sharpton looks like a Nappy Headed Ho.

 

[bcp]

I've heard a lot, and I mean a lot, of African Americans condemn the hip hop culture and slam rappers like Snoopy Dog, Puffy Dick and 50 Cent.

I think the great majority of black people want this racial gap closed once and for all. The majority of them don't like Al Sharpton. Problem is we have loons like Qurious in our society here to tell us we're racist because and whatever.

lets test your theory.
honky is equal to ######
cracker is equal to ######

hmm, even on this forum, I can insult white people and get away with it, yet if I try to insult blacks in the same fashion, it has to be censored.
it goes deeper than al "what happened to my hair" sharpton

 

[forestal]

It's not stupid, it's what happened.

Kind of like what happened to the Dixie Chicks a few years ago when all the counry radio stations went nuts because they said they were ashamed of their President.

What a stupid thing to say. Do you know how many people listened to Imus? How many people listened for sports talk? How many listened for the intelectual political conversations, how many people listened for the live performances of popular music artists?

I've watched Imus on MSNBC for some 6 years now, I'm pissed off they (MSNBC, CBS) fired him. In the end of this debate though, I think he'll get the last laugh. He's an old bitter buffoon, but I enjoyed his show. I think he's bearing the brunt of 15 years of media hypocrisy and poor ethics of a great many people in radio, television, music, movies, etc.

This has revealed the hypocrisy of elements of the black race and the media.

The media discusses what is racist, then goes back to covering dead white stripper. :

I think them covering ANS and not Darfur is more racist than Imus' bad joke.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

It's not stupid, it's what happened.

Kind of like what happened to the Dixie Chicks a few years ago when all the counry radio stations went nuts because they said they were ashamed of their President.

Two totally different issues there dum dum

The Dixie Chicks flapped their mouth about our President two days before a war.

Don Imus made a tasteless joke.

Dixie Chicks still have a job, and hell, they won an S-Load of Grammy's (or were you too dumb to see that happen) whereas Imus doesn't.

I've watched Don Imus for years and am very mad to see him off the air. It's not MSNBC's fault, as CBS, CNN or any other network would've done the same thing. I blame the media as a whole for their blatant hypocrisy. I knew it would come down to something like this before black people would open the discussion about cleansing their culture.

I don't like Mr. Bush but I wouldn't go out two days before a war and run my mouth about how I'm ashamed to be an American or whatever they said. It was tasteless.

It's #######s like you that have made this into what it is.

 

[Tonio]

1) refer to white people in any manner you feel is appropriate.
honky, redneck, trailer trash, etc.. will all be accepted as part of your culture and therefore on within limits of attack for racism.

In my experience, most of the people who use words like "redneck" and "trailer trash" are white, not black. Either they're using those words to describe themselves, Jeff Foxworthy-style, or they're using those words to insult people who live in rural areas and who aren't college-educated. The first is obviously people having enough confidence to laugh at themselves, and the second is obviously people taking elitist attitudes to cover up their own lack of self-confidence.

If you call yourself a redneck, do you or should you be offended if someone from New York or L.A. calls you that, or is it no big deal?

What's your opinion of the article below?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/13/AR2007041302178.html