Death By Queue

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‘Death By Queue’ Is The Health Crisis Government Asked For



Death by queue is a phrase coined in the United Kingdom, where “queue” describes a line of people waiting for something. Death by queue refers to dying while waiting in line for care that is technically possible but unavailable when needed. Death by queue has long been a feature of the much-vaunted British National Health Service (NHS), which was the model for President Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act (ACA). Recent reports note heart attack victims dying for lack of care-in-time from the NHS and calls for private physicians (those few who remain) to provide timely medical care because NHS (government) physicians cannot.

Americans also experience death by queue. However, since that pandemic is politically unpopular with Washington, the complicit corporate media ignore it.

Prior to Obamacare, average maximum wait time was already unconscionable: 92 days. With ACA expansion of government-provided, no-charge Medicaid insurance, maximum wait times increased to 120 days.

In Illinois over three years, 752 Medicaid enrollees died waiting for desperately needed medical treatment. An internal Veterans Affairs Department audit concluded that “47,000 veterans may have died” waiting in line for care that was technically possible but unavailable. Veterans are covered by government-provided Tricare insurance.

An accurate estimate of death by queue for all of the U.S. is not available. In Great Britain, at least “117,000 die[d] on waiting lists for NHS” in 2020 and 2021, according to The Evening Standard.
 

vraiblonde

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I'm curious exactly where in Illinois that happened, because my guess would be predominantly Chicago and the folks in normal areas have no problem getting healthcare.

It's a fact that these ginormous (Democrat run) cities can't keep up with their population. Too many people in one area taking up the resources. If these people were smarter they'd move somewhere that isn't so overtaxed, where they can find jobs and housing and good schools and reliable healthcare, but they don't. So there's not a lot you can do to help them - they victimize themselves and blame "the system".
 

Hijinx

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Doctors no longer work for themselves. They are now salaried employees.
They don't care how long you have to wait because they are on the clock now.

When they worked for themselves they had to cater to the customer.
They no longer have to make rounds at the hospital. When you go to the hospital now you are assigned a hospital Doctor who has never seen you before. Your primary might see you 2 weeks or more after you are released.

Call your Doctor when you are sick and waste your time. You get some answering service that tells you to go to the hospital if you want to be seen soon o0therwise wait 2 weeks. Your Doctor will get around to you sooner or later, or they will see you in a virtual visual phone call some day or other and send the bill to your insurance company.

Then if you ever do get to see the Doctor they will send you a text or an email asking you all kinds of question about how well you enjoyed the visit, no questions about how you enjoyed the wait
 

LightRoasted

If I may ...
For your consideration ...

Doctors no longer work for themselves. They are now salaried employees.
They don't care how long you have to wait because they are on the clock now.

When they worked for themselves they had to cater to the customer.
They no longer have to make rounds at the hospital. When you go to the hospital now you are assigned a hospital Doctor who has never seen you before. Your primary might see you 2 weeks or more after you are released.

Call your Doctor when you are sick and waste your time. You get some answering service that tells you to go to the hospital if you want to be seen soon o0therwise wait 2 weeks. Your Doctor will get around to you sooner or later, or they will see you in a virtual visual phone call some day or other and send the bill to your insurance company.

Then if you ever do get to see the Doctor they will send you a text or an email asking you all kinds of question about how well you enjoyed the visit, no questions about how you enjoyed the wait

It is even more so now that one must look out and care for themselves so that one doesn't need to ever see a doctor.
 

TPD

the poor dad
'Rona had a huge impact on how our medical services are rendered - changes were made, many for the worse, that will never return to the way it was. The only medical visit I have had in the last 3 - 4 years was for a DOT physical. That was relatively painless with no mask or long wait times required.
 

Gilligan

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I'm curious exactly where in Illinois that happened, because my guess would be predominantly Chicago and the folks in normal areas have no problem getting healthcare.
It's a huge problem right here in the boonies of SOMD. Wife needs some urgently required neuro testing done...End of May, at the earliest, she was told. When I needed an MRI done prior my last back surgery, I got "lucky" when a spot opened up at a privately run clinic up in Waldorf, because the local services were 3-4 months backed up.
 

TPD

the poor dad
It's a huge problem right here in the boonies of SOMD. Wife needs some urgently required neuro testing done...End of May, at the earliest, she was told. When I needed an MRI done prior my last back surgery, I got "lucky" when a spot opened up at a privately run clinic up in Waldorf, because the local services were 3-4 months backed up.
I've heard that Medstar is doing MRIs at 10pm on a Saturday because they are so backed up. Not sure how true that is.

But yeah, based on stories I've heard, it is difficult to get dr appts in southern Maryland that are less than a week or 2 away.
 

CRHS89

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It's a huge problem right here in the boonies of SOMD. Wife needs some urgently required neuro testing done...End of May, at the earliest, she was told. When I needed an MRI done prior my last back surgery, I got "lucky" when a spot opened up at a privately run clinic up in Waldorf, because the local services were 3-4 months backed up.
I can never get into my primary for a sick visit...always told to go to urgent care to see a doctor...or more likely a nurse practitioner... that has never seen me.
 

BOP

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I'm curious exactly where in Illinois that happened, because my guess would be predominantly Chicago and the folks in normal areas have no problem getting healthcare.

It's a fact that these ginormous (Democrat run) cities can't keep up with their population. Too many people in one area taking up the resources. If these people were smarter they'd move somewhere that isn't so overtaxed, where they can find jobs and housing and good schools and reliable healthcare, but they don't. So there's not a lot you can do to help them - they victimize themselves and blame "the system".
You say that like it's a bad thing.
 

PeoplesElbow

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I've heard that Medstar is doing MRIs at 10pm on a Saturday because they are so backed up. Not sure how true that is.

But yeah, based on stories I've heard, it is difficult to get dr appts in southern Maryland that are less than a week or 2 away.
Not a medstar hospital but in April 2019 (maybe march) my mom was scheduled for an MRI on Easter Sunday at 11AM. They told me they did them 14 hrs/day 7 days a week.
 

PrchJrkr

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It sounds like maybe Medstar needs reinvest some of their money and enlarge the MRI capabilities. They are a for profit business and everyone knows that staying in business requires expansion from time to time.
 

Hijinx

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Medstar need to build a new wing on St. Mary's hospital.
The rooms upstairs are full so they keep patients in the ER for hours waiting to get upstairs, this ties up the beds in the ER, and it takes longer to get a patient off the Ambulance's cot. 30 to 45 minutes for the ambulance to wait , sometimes longer, beds in the hallway at the ER and sometimes a 4 to 5 hour wait in the waiting room .I have heard stories of up to 8 hours waiting. If Medstar can't do any better than that they need to leave and let someone else run the hospital.
 

OccamsRazor

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Only one urologist in the entire county. ONE! And he is getting ready to retire. Yet another reason to be sent up the road to see a specialist.
 

Tech

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It sounds like maybe Medstar needs reinvest some of their money and enlarge the MRI capabilities. They are a for profit business and everyone knows that staying in business requires expansion from time to time.
Read that Leonardtown approved plans for a new orthopedic building by the library, and people complained about the build up in the area. Looking at the picture, it appears to a one stop facility with doctor offices, surgery and rehab. Someone even commented that it has daycare.
 

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
Read that Leonardtown approved plans for a new orthopedic building by the library, and people complained about the build up in the area. Looking at the picture, it appears to a one stop facility with doctor offices, surgery and rehab. Someone even commented that it has daycare.
Sounds like they are trying to compete with Southern Maryland Ortho. They have a thriving business with their own surgery center in the L'Town shopping plaza, and their own rehab. Separate buildings, tho.
 

1stGenSMIB

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Sounds like they are trying to compete with Southern Maryland Ortho. They have a thriving business with their own surgery center in the L'Town shopping plaza, and their own rehab. Separate buildings, tho.
I am curious when SoMD Ortho did that? I have had both shoulders worked on by SoMD Ortho, and they were done at SMH..This was over 10 years ago, and Dr. Henderson who did my surgeries, is long retired.
 

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
I am curious when SoMD Ortho did that? I have had both shoulders worked on by SoMD Ortho, and they were done at SMH..This was over 10 years ago, and Dr. Henderson who did my surgeries, is long retired.
Long time ago. I had an arthroscopy on both knees Aug 2012 at the surgery center by Dr. Cox. I had a shoulder worked on too by the same surgeon, but that was done at SMH.
 

herb749

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More advanced/specialty care is a big issue. I was diagnosed with cataracts. Earliest appointment with a surgeon I could get was 4 months away. Got a call, the surgeon is retiring, had to switch doctors, add another month wait.

I'm having the same issue. Took some time just to get an appointment to be seen. Then likely more time for surgery.
 
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