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vraiblonde

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Tulsi saying that our President supports Al Qaeda.

That alone positioned her as another screwball Dem who is clearly on drugs and shouldn't be in our government.

Tulsi = wolf in sheep's clothing
 

Kyle

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I saw that this morning getting ready for work.

They should have asked her what her opinion was of the Magic Muslim, whose relationships with all of the Terrorist world were far more friendly than Trump and the Sauds.
 

vraiblonde

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I haven't watched any of it. My brain cannot take all that ignorance.

Tulsi had a nice takedown of Kamala Harris, then she made that fatal mistake. Combined with her pre-hysteria about the Fourth of July celebration, she's a psycho who isn't what she's being touted as.
 
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Chris0nllyn

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I saw that this morning getting ready for work.

They should have asked her what her opinion was of the Magic Muslim, whose relationships with all of the Terrorist world were far more friendly than Trump and the Sauds.

Ok, good. At least one person understands the context.

It's worth noting that she didn't like Obama's military actions around the world (see below). She has stated, publically, that there are "very few examples" of justified uses of force by the US.

"Leaders in this country from both political parties looking around the world and picking and choosing which bad dictator they want to overthrow,"
"Unfortunately there are very few examples of this justified use of military force. I think it's very telling that the last time Congress officially declared war was World War II," said Gabbard.
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/08/739603781/which-u-s-wars-were-justifiable-tulsi-gabbard-names-only-world-war-ii

If you read through that, you'll see that she simply doesn'e believe in more conflict. She said "it was a good thing" for Trump to meet with Kim Jong Un.

Going back to Obama, she has publically criticized him for not saying what these people are. Radical islamists.
One of the toughest critics of President Obama’s strategy against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, a Democrat who represents his home state of Hawaii.

Gabbard has taken the administration to task for refusing to use the term “radical Islam” and called for the White House to be more aggressive.
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/242024-hawaii-dem-takes-on-obama







But, hey, it's easier to just say she's a drug addict than to think about what she said and why she said it.
 

This_person

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Ok, good. At least one person understands the context.

It's worth noting that she didn't like Obama's military actions around the world (see below). She has stated, publically, that there are "very few examples" of justified uses of force by the US.



https://www.npr.org/2019/07/08/739603781/which-u-s-wars-were-justifiable-tulsi-gabbard-names-only-world-war-ii

If you read through that, you'll see that she simply doesn'e believe in more conflict. She said "it was a good thing" for Trump to meet with Kim Jong Un.

Going back to Obama, she has publically criticized him for not saying what these people are. Radical islamists.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/242024-hawaii-dem-takes-on-obama







But, hey, it's easier to just say she's a drug addict than to think about what she said and why she said it.

But, let's be fair here; there's a large distance between "doesn't believe in more conflict" and, to quote her, "support and alliance with Saudi Arabia that is both providing direct and indirect support directly to Al Qaeda".

Like, light years of distance between those two concepts.

Wouldn't you agree?
 

Chris0nllyn

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But, let's be fair here; there's a large distance between "doesn't believe in more conflict" and, to quote her, "support and alliance with Saudi Arabia that is both providing direct and indirect support directly to Al Qaeda".

Like, light years of distance between those two concepts.

Wouldn't you agree?

Not sure what you're getting at.

The "doesn't believe in more conflict" is a synopsis of the link provided to Kyle because he, instead of doing his own looking, shot from the hip because all Democrats are bad in his eyes.

I certainly wouldn't say that there is "light years of distance" between believing in less foreign wars/conflicts and recognizing Saudi Arabia as a player in the conflicts she wants to move away from.
 

This_person

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I certainly wouldn't say that there is "light years of distance" between believing in less foreign wars/conflicts and recognizing Saudi Arabia as a player in the conflicts she wants to move away from.

So, Trump is, in your view, supporting Al Queda directly and indirectly, as she said?
 

herb749

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The Baltimore question came up but none wanted to talk about crime & violence. Afraid of solutions .??
 

Chris0nllyn

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So, Trump is, in your view, supporting Al Queda directly and indirectly, as she said?

Why wouldn't you just ask that question instead of the one you did?

It's no surprise that SA is a major funder of terrorists. I would hope you don't need proof of that.

Before becoming President, Trump said Saudia Arabia was the "world's biggest funder of terrorism".

https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/posts/10157164318560725




Trump, who had said in the past that Saudi Arabia was the "world's biggest funder of terrorism" spearheaded a multi-billion-dollar arms sale to Saudi Arabia. If, as Trump said, they are such a major funder of terrorism, why sell them $8 billion in arms?
 

This_person

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Why wouldn't you just ask that question instead of the one you did?

It's no surprise that SA is a major funder of terrorists. I would hope you don't need proof of that.

Before becoming President, Trump said Saudia Arabia was the "world's biggest funder of terrorism".

https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/posts/10157164318560725




Trump, who had said in the past that Saudi Arabia was the "world's biggest funder of terrorism" spearheaded a multi-billion-dollar arms sale to Saudi Arabia. If, as Trump said, they are such a major funder of terrorism, why sell them $8 billion in arms?

So, Trump is, in your view, supporting Al Queda directly and indirectly, as she said?
 

This_person

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Christ.

No. It's not direct.
Ok, so we now know we agree that she was wrong.

"Indirect" is, at best, opinion since it can't be proven or disproven.

The Saudi's both help us in the process, and (it could be argued) hurt us. We can point to and explain direct ways they help us, we can argue about indirect ways they hurt us; but the arguments could be considered pretty valid in that they do. We should also be able to agree that the Saudi government is NOT al Queda, so the link is more tenuous to argue indirect support of al Queda.

So, personally, I think it is VERY fair to say the people did "think about what she said and why she said it", and are arguing against what she said and why she said it. They are not arguing because she made a good point - we have now agreed she did not - and they just don't like it. They are arguing against her point because it is patently false, and saying something like that (directly supporting al Queda) is reason to be tried for treason and killed. She was literally arguing such a thing was what Trump was doing.

If we are going to be all snarky about a president who uses poor wordsmanship and therefore is inadequate as president (which argument has been made repeatedly on here by some), then we should hold candidates for nomination to party candidate for president to the same standard, and belittle the piss-poor words the same way.

Trump is a blow-hard, a crappy speaker, a braggart, and exaggerator. We know that about him. We take his words and construe them to what we think they mean in context, excusing the piss-poor wording. That action of the machinations of his speech are routinely and resoundingly criticized by many, not the least of which is you. If you want to hold him to that standard, you must hold this candidate to the same standard.

Or, you can hereby acknowledge that it is valuable to understand what someone MEANS. Surely she did not mean that she thinks the president of the United States directly supports a terrorist organization, or that she can prove an indirect support of the terrorist organization, but rather that she disagrees with a public policy begun by Bush, continued by Obama, and further continued by Trump that has given us material support in mid-east conflicts as well as can be argued has allowed for detrimental attitudes and treatment of the United States. She would have a different policy, which of course would result in a loss of the material, tangible support in return for what she believes would be a reduction in indirect harm.

But, she's not smart enough to say that. That doesn't fit on a bumper sticker. So, she said, "the president directly supports al Queda", which is divisive and harmful to national peace and security - but she doesn't care because she's a liberal trying to remove the president from office, or get a really cushy assignment in the administration of whomever does.

She's feces for doing so.

Now, I don't mean that literally, just so you know.
 
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Ms. Tulsi says stuff that intrigues me in a positive way. But then, not two seconds later, she says something to make me wonder what I thought was so good.

Does this make her the "Lucy to Charlie Brown (football) of U.S. politics"?

--- End of line (MCP)
 
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