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[MarieB]

President Obama Speaks on the Consulate Attack in Benghazi - YouTube

No she wasn’t. Obama made one reference to the word “terror”. That word was never in direct reference to the attack. Obama started his speech by saying it was “an attack”, not a terrorist attack. Then he refers to the people that committed this act of TERRORISM as ‘killers’ not terrorists. He made a vague reference to the video then went on and on to call the attack nothing more than an “attack” not a TERRORIST ATTACK. Not once does he refer to the actual attack as a terrorist attack in that entire speech. Only in the end he says “No acts of terror will shake the resolve of this nation…” Then goes on to refer to the attack as an “act” not an act of terrorism.

There is a difference between “terror” and “terrorism”. Someone breaking into your house to rob you is an act of terror. A TERRORIST group overrunning an embassy with RPGs and automatic weapons and killing everyone inside is an act of TERRORISM. Obama NEVER referred to this attack as an act of terrorism.

Then to make matters worse he sent people out for 12 days to tell everyone to DENY it was a terrorist attack and that it was a spontaneous response to some video. So even if he did say it was a terrorist attack on Sept 12, how do you explain the propaganda for 12 days claiming it was a protest in response to a video?

Obama FAILED big time here. You can justify this all you want, but he never called the attack a terrorist attack and went on a 12 day campaign of lies trying to cover up the security failures.

Yes!

But, he knew the question was coming and found his wiggle room. Most people won't look any closer, and it didn't help that the moderator became part of the debate and backed him up. She should have allowed it to flow naturally between the two of them

 

[TPD]

Yes!

But, he knew the question was coming and found his wiggle room. Most people won't look any closer, and it didn't help that the moderator became part of the debate and backed him up. She should have allowed it to flow naturally between the two of them

Hannity just said that Crowley admitted she was wrong when she said Obama was correct on this issue of terror.

 

[PsyOps]

Yes!

But, he knew the question was coming and found his wiggle room. Most people won't look any closer, and it didn't help that the moderator became part of the debate and backed him up. She should have allowed it to flow naturally between the two of them

Obama is counting people’s short memory. And people do have short memories. This is a huge deal to me because this is THE foremost task a president is charged with: our national security. But most folks are voting on their wallets and may not be a concerned about this as I am.

Looking at the whole timeline just based on raw facts, there was a huge failure of ensuring security and telling the truth to Americans. There is no wiggle room for Obama on this. He would have been best served to just come clean from the beginning and said “we screwed up and I apologize to the American people. The responsibility lies with me.” Only after Hillary has the courage to step and fall on her sword did Obama decided he better take some responsibility.

This is a sad sad administration.

 

[MarieB]

Hannity just said that Crowley admitted she was wrong when she said Obama was correct on this issue of terror.

She did?!

I don't know one person who noticed that

 

[PsyOps]

She did?!

I don't know one person who noticed that

It was a statement she made way after the debate was over. It's being reported on Hannity. I'm sure it will get repeated in the news tomorrow.

 

[MarieB]

Crowley said that Romney’s was “right” in that the Obama administration spent weeks refusing to say that the attack was terrorism, but she thought at the time that “he picked the wrong word.”

“I heard the president speak at the time. I, sort of, reread a lot of stuff about Libya because I knew we’d probably get a Libya question so I kind of wanted to be up on it,” said Crowley. “I knew that the president had said, you know, these acts of terror won’t stand. Or, whatever the whole quote was.”

“Right after that I did turn around and say, but you’re totally correct that they spent two weeks telling us this was about a tape and that that there was this riot outside the Benghazi consulate which there wasn’t,” Crowley added.

“He was right in the main, I just think he picked the wrong word,” Crowley concluded. She went on to say that her instinct forced her to correct Romney even though his “thrust” was correct.

Watch the clip below via CNN:
Candy Crowley: Romney ‘Right’ That Obama Didn’t Call Libya Terror, But Thought ‘He Picked The Wrong Word’ | Mediaite

 

[PsyOps]

Crowley said that Romney’s was “right” in that the Obama administration spent weeks refusing to say that the attack was terrorism, but she thought at the time that “he picked the wrong word.”

“I heard the president speak at the time. I, sort of, reread a lot of stuff about Libya because I knew we’d probably get a Libya question so I kind of wanted to be up on it,” said Crowley. “I knew that the president had said, you know, these acts of terror won’t stand. Or, whatever the whole quote was.”

“Right after that I did turn around and say, but you’re totally correct that they spent two weeks telling us this was about a tape and that that there was this riot outside the Benghazi consulate which there wasn’t,” Crowley added.

“He was right in the main, I just think he picked the wrong word,” Crowley concluded. She went on to say that her instinct forced her to correct Romney even though his “thrust” was correct.

Watch the clip below via CNN:
Candy Crowley: Romney ‘Right’ That Obama Didn’t Call Libya Terror, But Thought ‘He Picked The Wrong Word’ | Mediaite

Well she certainly tried to squirm her way out of that one.

 

[flowerlover]

re: Obama's constant references to Obama is dead

reminds me of the old Saturday Night Live Update: "This just in: Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead"

 

[TreeRat]

Now that's an irony!


TR

 

[mamatutu]

Obama will not be re-elected. He wants it that way. He gets all the hoopla for the rest of his life. He thought he could change this country to socialism in 4 years (hoping for 8); after it has been a democracy for over 200 years. Not accomplished. Good riddance first man of color prez; you could have made your presidency so over the top, no one could touch it, but you blew it. Hope and change; what a bunch of bull crap. Oh well, Obama is a sociopath, so he is done. I am sure he will become as good at the hula as he is at golf. What a waste of important time.

Edit: I couldn't sleep. What I am thinking about is that these two men, R and O, have the future of the world in their hands. Isn't that strange because us commoners like to think that we are driving our own destiny; as in 401K's, investing, saving, being frugal, trying to get by, making something out of nothing, etc. We are old (57) and have lived through a lot (itsbob) elections, but this one is totally freaking us out. Yes, we did buy the extra guns and ammo, and we are replenishing our stock pile from the original 9/11; God rest their souls. It doesn't seem right that we have to live in a world like this. That's all, and it's enough.

 

[Baja28]

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So the moderator was correct when she told Romney that he had it wrong.

You can continue to argue about how you would have liked it phrased if you want. But Obama DID describe this as an act of terror on 9/12 in the rose garden.

Wrong is your middle name isn't it?

 

[Bann]

Well you've just proven yourself to be a blatant liar and party shill...

And a coward using a new MPD (not even an old one ) to post in the debate live thread, since he/she/it apparently doesn't have the cojones to post in their "real" screenname". First times posters rarely post in the politics thread, much less start slamming & insulting people right off the bat.

 

[thatguy]

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So the moderator was correct when she told Romney that he had it wrong.

You can continue to argue about how you would have liked it phrased if you want. But Obama DID describe this as an act of terror on 9/12 in the rose garden.

Wrong is your middle name isn't it?

Only in conservative meme land did Obama not describe that benghazi attack as terror. You guys can't be expected to accept the truth even when the quote is repeatedly show to you.
The moderator was right when she corrected Romney. The rose garden quite stands on its own. I can understand why you're confused though. Fox News spent all night playing edited versions of the quite that led out the next two sentences and than cut to another part of he speech to mislead you.

Even the panel on Greta at midnight unanimously concluded that Obama and the mod were correct on the point about the rose garden speech (and that was after showing their edited version of the speech.

I'll show it to you all one more time

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

 

[Bann]

Hannity just said that Crowley admitted she was wrong when she said Obama was correct on this issue of terror.

She did - she stammered & stuttered because she was constantly interrupted, but she did say that. She said he said it - but it took about 14 days.

 

[Bann]

She did?!

I don't know one person who noticed that

I did - it was in the debate and it was during the time when both candidates were talking over one another and she was trying to move on.

 

[Bann]

Crowley said that Romney’s was “right” in that the Obama administration spent weeks refusing to say that the attack was terrorism, but she thought at the time that “he picked the wrong word.”

“I heard the president speak at the time. I, sort of, reread a lot of stuff about Libya because I knew we’d probably get a Libya question so I kind of wanted to be up on it,” said Crowley. “I knew that the president had said, you know, these acts of terror won’t stand. Or, whatever the whole quote was.”

“Right after that I did turn around and say, but you’re totally correct that they spent two weeks telling us this was about a tape and that that there was this riot outside the Benghazi consulate which there wasn’t,” Crowley added.

“He was right in the main, I just think he picked the wrong word,” Crowley concluded. She went on to say that her instinct forced her to correct Romney even though his “thrust” was correct.

Watch the clip below via CNN:
Candy Crowley: Romney ‘Right’ That Obama Didn’t Call Libya Terror, But Thought ‘He Picked The Wrong Word’ | Mediaite

 

[glhs837]

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So the moderator was correct when she told Romney that he had it wrong.

You can continue to argue about how you would have liked it phrased if you want. But Obama DID describe this as an act of terror on 9/12 in the rose garden.

I agree but I knew where Romney's line of thinking was heading. He called it "an act of terror" and Romney's point was it took 2 weeks for the American people to learn it wasn't a youtube video but a preplanned, premeditated act of terrorism.

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Only in conservative meme land did Obama not describe that benghazi attack as terror. You guys can't be expected to accept the truth even when the quote is repeatedly show to you.
The moderator was right when she corrected Romney. The rose garden quite stands on its own. I can understand why you're confused though. Fox News spent all night playing edited versions of the quite that led out the next two sentences and than cut to another part of he speech to mislead you.

Even the panel on Greta at midnight unanimously concluded that Obama and the mod were correct on the point about the rose garden speech (and that was after showing their edited version of the speech.

I'll show it to you all one more time

No, the President did NOT describe this attack as an act of terror. He mentioned acts of terro in general, but most carefully did NOT say this was one. You really suck at language and it's usage, dont you? You are the one reading into it. That one sentence was very carefully crafted. It does NOT reference the attack. And I'm sure that was deliberate. This administration has been very stingy with the words terror and terrorist, part of it's idea that we can appeal to the mass of non-violent Muslims by not using that word, which they feel the world has slapped on as labels to their entire religion. But, as with many PC ideas, it's a great concept that leads to silly executions in practice.

 

[thatguy]

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So the moderator was correct when she told Romney that he had it wrong.

You can continue to argue about how you would have liked it phrased if you want. But Obama DID describe this as an act of terror on 9/12 in the rose garden.

I agree but I knew where Romney's line of thinking was heading. He called it "an act of terror" and Romney's point was it took 2 weeks for the American people to learn it wasn't a youtube video but a preplanned, premeditated act of terrorism.

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Only in conservative meme land did Obama not describe that benghazi attack as terror. You guys can't be expected to accept the truth even when the quote is repeatedly show to you.
The moderator was right when she corrected Romney. The rose garden quite stands on its own. I can understand why you're confused though. Fox News spent all night playing edited versions of the quite that led out the next two sentences and than cut to another part of he speech to mislead you.

Even the panel on Greta at midnight unanimously concluded that Obama and the mod were correct on the point about the rose garden speech (and that was after showing their edited version of the speech.

I'll show it to you all one more time

No, the President did NOT describe this attack as an act of terror. He mentioned acts of terro in general, but most carefully did NOT say this was one. You really suck at language and it's usage, dont you? You are the one reading into it. That one sentence was very carefully crafted. It does NOT reference the attack. And I'm sure that was deliberate. This administration has been very stingy with the words terror and terrorist, part of it's idea that we can appeal to the mass of non-violent Muslims by not using that word, which they feel the world has slapped on as labels to their entire religion. But, as with many PC ideas, it's a great concept that leads to silly executions in practice.

You are the one that sucks at language and its usage apparently.

You keep wanting to take one one sentence from his speech out of context. In the context of his address, and the paragraph in particular, it is clear Obama is talking about the benghazi attack.

But meme one with your bad selves

 

[Dakota]

And do you think, for one moment, that Romney would go blabbing State Department intelligence out on the internet minutes after he had received it himself? ...actually, you might not want to answer that, might not help your cause.

Romney's point was immaterial. Whether it was preplanned, or a reaction by a bunch of zealots to a bigot's offensive video is irrelevant. What matters is Americans died and what we are going to do about it.

President Obama Speaks on the Consulate Attack in Benghazi - YouTube

No she wasn’t. Obama made one reference to the word “terror”. That word was never in direct reference to the attack. Obama started his speech by saying it was “an attack”, not a terrorist attack. Then he refers to the people that committed this act of TERRORISM as ‘killers’ not terrorists. He made a vague reference to the video then went on and on to call the attack nothing more than an “attack” not a TERRORIST ATTACK. Not once does he refer to the actual attack as a terrorist attack in that entire speech. Only in the end he says “No acts of terror will shake the resolve of this nation…” Then goes on to refer to the attack as an “act” not an act of terrorism.

There is a difference between “terror” and “terrorism”. Someone breaking into your house to rob you is an act of terror. A TERRORIST group overrunning an embassy with RPGs and automatic weapons and killing everyone inside is an act of TERRORISM. Obama NEVER referred to this attack as an act of terrorism.

Then to make matters worse he sent people out for 12 days to tell everyone to DENY it was a terrorist attack and that it was a spontaneous response to some video. So even if he did say it was a terrorist attack on Sept 12, how do you explain the propaganda for 12 days claiming it was a protest in response to a video?

Obama FAILED big time here. You can justify this all you want, but he never called the attack a terrorist attack and went on a 12 day campaign of lies trying to cover up the security failures.

Thanks PsyOps... no need for me to repeat you to respond to our newest troll. People can blow this off as immaterial but it isn't... it is a serious and very important issue. You don't point blame in any direction until you know the facts.

 

[Baja28]

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You are the one that sucks at language and its usage apparently.

You keep wanting to take one one sentence from his speech out of context. In the context of his address, and the paragraph in particular, it is clear Obama is talking about the benghazi attack.

But meme one with your bad selves

Mr. Wrong stuffs his foot in his mouth again. You better get some coffee and read a little more and you will discover where Crowley corrected herself last night stating that Romney was RIGHT!!

Keep on defending your Kenyan. Makes you look real smort.