Deep State Danny Crenshaw

Ken King

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Deep state, establishment, swamp. What difference does it make?!
Quite a bit, deep state are those that secretly operate from within the agencies/military, without authority, to implement their agenda. Establishment operates in the open to establish and implement their agenda. Swamp is all of them together.
 

Tech

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Crenshaw removing the GOP who don't vote his way.
 

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vraiblonde

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Quite a bit, deep state are those that secretly operate from within the agencies/military, without authority, to implement their agenda. Establishment operates in the open to establish and implement their agenda. Swamp is all of them together.

"Establishment Danny" doesn't have the same ring, and "Swampy Dan" makes him sound like a Florida Everglades airboat tour guide.
 

SamSpade

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Maybe there's just something toxic about the political environment in Washington that enervates all the firebrands who go there, all full of piss and vinegar - and before long, they play the game like everyone else.

There's an exchange in - of all movies - Legally Blonde 2, where Elle learns her mentor just stabbed her in the back - and her mentor's rationale is, one of her donors NEEDS the bill that Elle supports AXED, and claims politics is dirty, because she needs it to survive.

Elle: I trusted you. I looked up to you.
Rep. Rudd: I can't do anyone any good if I'm no longer here.
Elle: But you're not doing anybody any good. Nobody in your district. Not even yourself.

And that's the simplest way to look at it. They do what they need to STAY there, in Washington, because they believe their continued presence there is a force for GOOD. But to remain there, they have to dispose of the whole "force for GOOD".

Hence, my wish we'd term limit these guys - and take their staff with them. After they've been there too long, they no longer serve the people, except the ones who keep them in office, and incumbency is too strong an advantage to leave to mere elections.
 

Hijinx

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And that's the simplest way to look at it. They do what they need to STAY there, in Washington, because they believe their continued presence there is a force for GOOD. But to remain there, they have to dispose of the whole "force for GOOD".
Sam: IMO you are being a bit too generous with that part of your post.
They stay there for the perks, including the salary, the insider information they get rich with, the staff that kisses their ass, and power they have over people. There may be one in a dozen that are there to help and stabilize the economy and make a strong America.
There might be 25 actual Patriots in the whole rotten barrel.
 

herb749

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So if Baltimore City voters could create a ballot question on term limits ( and it passed ), why can't there be a national ballot question limiting terms of Congress members. I know the Constitution will be argued but doesn't the city have some sort of the same thing, and it was allowed.
 
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Kyle

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If not through Congress, it would have to be done through a convention of states.
 

SamSpade

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Sam: IMO you are being a bit too generous with that part of your post.
They stay there for the perks, including the salary, the insider information they get rich with, the staff that kisses their ass, and power they have over people. There may be one in a dozen that are there to help and stabilize the economy and make a strong America.
There might be 25 actual Patriots in the whole rotten barrel.
Nah - I think there are a LOT of people who go to Washington because they want to actually accomplish something - sometimes, because they have a perverted sense of what this country is about and want to see THEIR visions promoted and to hell with anyone else's - or anyone else's freedoms. And that I firmly believe - there are those who are all full of it who want to battle climate change or get rid of guns or tackle big pharma or big oil - they have ideals but haven't thought things through very well. They're just the kind of pricks who think splashing your fur with paint screaming "fur is murder" or who slash your leather or spit on your burger in the name of animal rights is the path to change.

The Democratic Party is FULL of such idealists. When I was younger, THAT attracted me. I didn't want the country to be *managed*, I wanted it to be LED. By people who said things like they wanted to go to the moon, or that people will be judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.

Well, they opened the door for EVERY lunatic idea imaginable, and they still are.

I don't think too many are there for the perks and salary, but they might be there for the prestige - because if you have the wherewithal to get MILLIONS flowing into your campaign coffers to get a job that pays a fraction of that - you're supremely stupid to be in it for the money. There are easier and less visible or demanding ways to become rich.

I do think quite a lot of it is the allure of an elite world - as one of my favorite radio pundits used to say "Washington - Hollywood, for ugly people".
 

Tech

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So if Baltimore City voters could create a ballot question on term limits ( and it passed ), why can't there be a national ballot question limiting terms of Congress members. I know the Constitution will be argued but doesn't the city have some sort of the same thing, and it was allowed.
Dependent on their constitution/charter, what does it say about amending? The US Constitution has an amending procedure in it.
 
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