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Zguy28

New Member
You know the one thing I noticed in all those mini-testimonies? Who are they putting faith in? It doesn't sound like its Christ. Your leaders better be careful with them or you end up with a bunch of people whose faith is in the church, which is full of fallible men, instead of in God and Christ where it belongs. At the first signs of trouble, neglect, or discontent, its bye bye.

I've run into this in baptist circles as well, especially with old people who are proud of being a charter member of a church for 70 years. God bless you my friend.
 

Bird Dog

Bird Dog
PREMO Member
You know the one thing I noticed in all those mini-testimonies? Who are they putting faith in? It doesn't sound like its Christ. Your leaders better be careful with them or you end up with a bunch of people whose faith is in the church, which is full of fallible men, instead of in God and Christ where it belongs. At the first signs of trouble, neglect, or discontent, its bye bye.

I've run into this in baptist circles as well, especially with old people who are proud of being a charter member of a church for 70 years. God bless you my friend.

That is one of the reasons we recycle our Pastors every 6 years. It's not about them.
 

onel0126

Bead mumbler
You know the one thing I noticed in all those mini-testimonies? Who are they putting faith in? It doesn't sound like its Christ. Your leaders better be careful with them or you end up with a bunch of people whose faith is in the church, which is full of fallible men, instead of in God and Christ where it belongs. At the first signs of trouble, neglect, or discontent, its bye bye. I've run into this in baptist circles as well, especially with old people who are proud of being a charter member of a church for 70 years. God bless you my friend.

One thing I have noticed over the years--converts to the Catholic Church make some of the most devout Catholics. They breathe new life into parishes. They don't leave. I really read your comment above as a "oh yeah, well...." teenage rant.

My wife grew up and was educated in southern baptist schools. She loves The Lord and knows scripture like the back of her hand. When she converted to the Catholic Church in her 40s she did so at great peril. Family was so outraged she wasn't spoken to, family refused to come to her Mass when she was confirmed and received her first communion. She saw the church made up of fallible men as you call it to be the best runway to Christ.

There is a reason that some of the best Catholic apologists are converts...

You are right in some respects. Most cradle Catholics that I know who left the Catholic Church did so NOT because of dogmatic reasons, they did so because of a personal matter with a particular priest or nun or parishioners. Most truly miss the Eucharist--this I know from being involved in organizations whose sole purpose is to bring them home.
 

Zguy28

New Member
One thing I have noticed over the years--converts to the Catholic Church make some of the most devout Catholics. They breathe new life into parishes. They don't leave. I really read your comment above as a "oh yeah, well...." teenage rant.

My wife grew up and was educated in southern baptist schools. She loves The Lord and knows scripture like the back of her hand. When she converted to the Catholic Church in her 40s she did so at great peril. Family was so outraged she wasn't spoken to, family refused to come to her Mass when she was confirmed and received her first communion. She saw the church made up of fallible men as you call it to be the best runway to Christ.

There is a reason that some of the best Catholic apologists are converts...

You are right in some respects. Most cradle Catholics that I know who left the Catholic Church did so NOT because of dogmatic reasons, they did so because of a personal matter with a particular priest or nun or parishioners. Most truly miss the Eucharist--this I know from being involved in organizations whose sole purpose is to bring them home.
If that's what you took away from what I said, it actually says something about you, not me. A word of caution is what it was, nothing else. Have a nice day.
 

Radiant1

Soul Probe
You know the one thing I noticed in all those mini-testimonies? Who are they putting faith in? It doesn't sound like its Christ. Your leaders better be careful with them or you end up with a bunch of people whose faith is in the church, which is full of fallible men, instead of in God and Christ where it belongs. At the first signs of trouble, neglect, or discontent, its bye bye.

I've run into this in baptist circles as well, especially with old people who are proud of being a charter member of a church for 70 years. God bless you my friend.

I understand you're just giving a word of warning because of your own experience in the Baptist circles; however, being an adult convert to the Catholic expression of faith, I find this kind of offensive. I would think it offensive to God as well considering He's the one leading people such as myself there.
 

Zguy28

New Member
I understand you're just giving a word of warning because of your own experience in the Baptist circles; however, being an adult convert to the Catholic expression of faith, I find this kind of offensive. I would think it offensive to God as well considering He's the one leading people such as myself there.
My point is this: what is the object of your faith? The church or Christ? The church didn't die for you on the cross. I understand if you get offended. You're predecessors did 500 years ago too.
 

Radiant1

Soul Probe
My point is this: what is the object of your faith? The church or Christ? The church didn't die for you on the cross. I understand if you get offended. You're predecessors did 500 years ago too.

Of course my faith is Christ-centered, it couldn't be anything but. The offense comes because you seem to think that God can't lead people to Himself through the Catholic Church. These people (myself included) are happy that they have grown closer to God through the Catholic Church that they otherwise didn't do elsewhere or on their own. Frankly, when reading the article, I really didn't see why you felt a desire (and it was a desire not a need) to give your "warning". You kind of came across to me as being a bit resentful, or something akin to what onel calls "a teenage rant".

And yeah, my predecessors were quite offended by the blaphemy that occurred 500 years ago. Should I give you a warning about that? :wink:
 
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