Developing: Body found near where Kansas teen vanished

AndyMarquisLIVE

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OVERLAND PARK, Kan. - A body has been found in a lake near the area where an 18-year-old woman vanished last Saturday, the FBI told NBC affiliate KSHB.

There was no confirmation that the body, recovered from Longview Lake, was that of Kelsey Smith, who was seen in a security camera being pushed into her car at a Target parking lot.

The FBI was expected to comment further at at 6 p.m. ET press conference.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19065065/
 

Redskinsmama

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i really hope that isn't her and she's still out there. I saw the clip of her parents on the today show. she sounded like a wonderful young woman.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
That's a god damn shame.. I was hoping against hope that this was not how it was going to end.

We really need to stop coddling these friggin criminals. We need to execute the piece of crap that did this in public, and the most painful way possible so when the next sicko thinks of doing it they can have that burnt into the back of their heads.

Chop off his manhood with a dirty dull hatchet, and let him die a slow death from the infection eating away his body.
 

AndyMarquisLIVE

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itsbob said:
That's a god damn shame.. I was hoping against hope that this was not how it was going to end.

We really need to stop coddling these friggin criminals. We need to execute the piece of crap that did this in public, and the most painful way possible so when the next sicko thinks of doing it they can have that burnt into the back of their heads.

Chop off his manhood with a dirty dull hatchet, and let him die a slow death from the infection eating away his body.
Oh my heavens. :lmao:

I've heard some brutal things - but this is, actually a great idea. :jet:
 

Ponytail

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Wow...I hope that that is an incorrect report. So sad.

What bothered me about that video, was that it seemed that there were folks around, it was definitely bright sun light. It appeared that there was some sort of struggle...no one went to her aid, or was even able to get a license plate number? Very odd.
 

Pooh31

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My best friend lives in Kansas and it was the girl, she knows the girl and her family, the girl graduated with my best friends daughter. She said that is very sad and quiet in Kansas. She also said that another teenage girl went missing a month ago from the same town.
 

jetmonkey

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Redskinsmama said:
i really hope that isn't her and she's still out there. I saw the clip of her parents on the today show. she sounded like a wonderful young woman.
Who do you hope that it is? :confused:
 
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Dixie

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Ponytail said:
Wow...I hope that that is an incorrect report. So sad.

What bothered me about that video, was that it seemed that there were folks around, it was definitely bright sun light. It appeared that there was some sort of struggle...no one went to her aid, or was even able to get a license plate number? Very odd.

Ponytail - I honestly mean NO disrespect with this question - this situation and situations like this puzzle me also - but what would you do if you saw the same thing? What would any of us do? What should you do? The reason I ask - do you remember a few weeks ago when an old man was having his car hijacked and getting beaten senseless while a group of people just stood and watched. No one stepped up to the plate. And I wondered why - a big group of people like that - surely they could have taken him collectively. Here's another one that bugs me - a few years ago in Alexandria (I think) this high school kid was attacked by two other high school kids and either beaten or stabbed to death while a really large crowd stood by. And did NOTHING. A friend of mine was in the crowd that just stood there. I asked her why. She shrugged and said what do you do. I would think scream, shout, shove, act like a crazy person, do anything but nothing. I mean the results are three families without their kids and two kids who are ruined for life. For what? High school crap?

Well - there's my rant for the day. I hope you didn't take this offensively Ponytail - the fact that you even questioned it tells me you think its wrong too which means you'd probably do SOMETHING. And that's a start.
 

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
Dixie said:
Ponytail - I honestly mean NO disrespect with this question - this situation and situations like this puzzle me also - but what would you do if you saw the same thing? What would any of us do? What should you do? The reason I ask - do you remember a few weeks ago when an old man was having his car hijacked and getting beaten senseless while a group of people just stood and watched. No one stepped up to the plate. And I wondered why - a big group of people like that - surely they could have taken him collectively. Here's another one that bugs me - a few years ago in Alexandria (I think) this high school kid was attacked by two other high school kids and either beaten or stabbed to death while a really large crowd stood by. And did NOTHING. A friend of mine was in the crowd that just stood there. I asked her why. She shrugged and said what do you do. I would think scream, shout, shove, act like a crazy person, do anything but nothing. I mean the results are three families without their kids and two kids who are ruined for life. For what? High school crap?

Well - there's my rant for the day. I hope you didn't take this offensively Ponytail - the fact that you even questioned it tells me you think its wrong too which means you'd probably do SOMETHING. And that's a start.

Well one reason I think that our society has become that way is because of lawyers and liberal judges, no one wants to do anything that could possibly get them sued/arrested/convicted, and the way things are now the victims/those that help victims often get the tables turned on them in the court room.

Another theory I have is that most people don't have the neccessary tools to defend themselves or others from a violent attack if need be. Read law abiding citizens not be able to carry concealed weapons in alot of places.

And the last thought I have on this is that in alot of people have low morals and couldn't care less about others in this day in age.
 
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_MightyMouse_

_USMCScoutSwimmer_
AK-74me said:
Well one reason I think that our society has become that way is because of lawyers and liberal judges, no one wants to do anything that could possibly gey them sued/arrested/convicted and the way things are now the victims/those that help victims often get the tables turned on them in the court room.

Another theory I have is that most people don't have the neccessary tools to defend themselves or others from a violent attack if need be. Read law abiding citizens not be able to carry concealed weapons in alot of places.

And the last thought I have on this is that in alot of people have low morals and couldn't care less about others in this day in age.

Still not on vacation. What a slacker? :howdy: Your ole lady put you to work already this a.m., I know what it is... :howdy:
 

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
_MightyMouse_ said:
Still not on vacation. What a slacker? :howdy: Your ole lady put you to work already this a.m., I know what it is... :howdy:

0605 Had to be up to do the 24 hour check in with Southwest and print up our boarding passes, 3 boarding passes :razz:
 

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
Arrest made..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19065065/

Man arrested in death of teen
26-year-old faces first-degree murder charge in death of Kelsey Smith
BREAKING NEWS
The Associated Press
Updated: 12:23 a.m. CT June 7, 2007

OVERLAND PARK, Kan. - Police on Wednesday arrested a man in the abduction and death of a teenager who disappeared four days ago from a store parking lot.

Authorities said 18-year-old Kelsey Smith’s body was found across the state line at a lake in Grandview, Mo.

Overland Park Police Chief John Douglass identified the suspect as Edwin R. Hall, 26, of Olathe. He was expected to be charged Thursday with premeditated first-degree murder and aggravated kidnapping.

Douglass said Hall was interviewed Wednesday after police acted on a tip that matched Hall and a vehicle to surveillance video from the Target store parking lot where Smith was abducted Saturday evening.

Smith’s body was found about 1:30 p.m. Wednesday about 20 miles east of the abduction site.

Douglass declined to comment on the circumstances of Hall’s questioning or evidence in the case, but said police had located a vehicle that matched the description of one seen in surveillance video pulling into the Target parking lot about a minute after Smith parked there.

He said Hall appeared to be the same person shown in the video walking into the Target soon after Smith entered the store.

Johnson County prosecutor Phill Kline said charges would be filed Thursday morning.

“This community has lost a vibrant and promising life and her family has sufferered unimaginable tragedy,” he said.

Kline said his office would ask the state to set bond at $5 million.
 
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Dixie

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AK-74me said:
Well one reason I think that our society has become that way is because of lawyers and liberal judges, no one wants to do anything that could possibly gey them sued/arrested/convicted and the way things are now the victims/those that help victims often get the tables turned on them in the court room.

Another theory I have is that most people don't have the neccessary tools to defend themselves or others from a violent attack if need be. Read law abiding citizens not be able to carry concealed weapons in alot of places.

And the last thought I have on this is that in alot of people have low morals and couldn't care less about others in this day in age.

I wonder if society just lacks courage. How many of us would have done what that man in New York did for that young man having a seizure? I don't know anyone like that and unless it had been my own son, no way would I have been brave enough. I wonder if I'd be brave enough to intervene in other situations though. What would it take to stop something like what happened to that girl, what happened to that man whose car was hijacked, those kids in Alexandria? Would a diversion do it? They tell kids when they're being abducted not to yell help but to yell as loud as they can, I don't know this person, this person is not my father/mother whatever. Would a diversion have helped in any of those situations I mentioned. If someone had just laid on their horn when that old man was getting hit would it have scared off the attacker? What if everyone did it? If someone in the crowd had hit one of those teenagers with their pocketbook - (I have the strangest things in mine and it's heavy) would that have been enough to prompt others to join in to break up what was going on?

I don't know. I don't know if I'd have the courage, talk's cheap. You're never going to convince me that CWs are the answer but that's just the way I was raised. And guns scare me. Just seems to me that doing something, no matter what is so much better than doing nothing. I guess I'm not done ranting.
 
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AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
Dixie said:
And guns scare me.

I am not going to turn this into a gun debate so I'll ask this one set of questions and be done.

How can an inanimate object scare you?

Are you also scared of cars? hammers? knives?

The point is that if people are going to intervene in a violent attack they are going to want the advantage or atleast have even odds.

Ok......

Anyway do you remember the video from a few years ago of this black women causing problems at some pizza joint where she ends up spitting on the clerk and then going and getting her 300+lb. boyfriend, then he proceeds to beat the poor guy down for a good 2 minutes? There were 10 people or so just standing around and noone did anything to help this poor guy.

http://emuse.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/633
 

UnHappyTrail

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But see if anyone there would of had a CCW permit that wouldn't of happend that 300+ lbs guy would of been stopped! OKAY there Dixie!!! And if you are so afraid of guns what do you do when your giving head and that spits at you?
 
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Dixie

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UnHappyTrail said:
But see if anyone there would of had a CCW permit that wouldn't of happend that 300+ lbs guy would of been stopped! OKAY there Dixie!!! And if you are so afraid of guns what do you do when your giving head and that spits at you?
:popcorn:

Yes, I'm afraid of guns, I wasn't raised around them. I don't know why that should upset anyone especially since I have no intentions of getting into a discussion about CW. You have your opinion I have mine, I'm not going to speak against it. I'm also afraid of sharks and I know that's irrational.

My apologies for posting. I know my opinions and thoughts are not mainstream, it's the aquarian in me, we champion underdogs. I'm done ranting and unhappy trail, you crossed the line.
 

mv_princess

mv = margaritaville
UnHappyTrail said:
But see if anyone there would of had a CCW permit that wouldn't of happend that 300+ lbs guy would of been stopped! OKAY there Dixie!!! And if you are so afraid of guns what do you do when your giving head and that spits at you?
I guess I missed something somewhere...

But what does giving head, have to do with a gun?
 

Ponytail

New Member
Dixie said:
Ponytail - I honestly mean NO disrespect with this question - this situation and situations like this puzzle me also - but what would you do if you saw the same thing? What would any of us do? What should you do? The reason I ask - do you remember a few weeks ago when an old man was having his car hijacked and getting beaten senseless while a group of people just stood and watched. No one stepped up to the plate. And I wondered why - a big group of people like that - surely they could have taken him collectively. Here's another one that bugs me - a few years ago in Alexandria (I think) this high school kid was attacked by two other high school kids and either beaten or stabbed to death while a really large crowd stood by. And did NOTHING. A friend of mine was in the crowd that just stood there. I asked her why. She shrugged and said what do you do. I would think scream, shout, shove, act like a crazy person, do anything but nothing. I mean the results are three families without their kids and two kids who are ruined for life. For what? High school crap?

Well - there's my rant for the day. I hope you didn't take this offensively Ponytail - the fact that you even questioned it tells me you think its wrong too which means you'd probably do SOMETHING. And that's a start.

On the forums, in the mall, at work, wherever, there is a "pack mentality" amongst humans. Where you feel powerless as one, even in a group but somewhere inside, where your morals are, you know what is right and wrong but may not be able to find that "switch" that gets you to act on those feelings. It only takes ONE person in a group to start, a leader, to get the pack to follow.

I was a the Fastop in Lusby a couple of years ago filling up the truck, when I noticed a lone bicyclist ride in and was trying to pull his bike inside the store. Two car loads of kids, 6 kids in all, were chasing him. They grabbed his bike and dragged the bike and the bicyclist outside and started beating on him. I ran over with the guy that was pumping gas next to me and that seemed to prompt several other folks that were getting gas, to help the guy out. I dunno what prompted the altercation, but 6 on 1 is unnecessary odds, regardless of what may have happened before. The idiots working inside refused to call the police because they were afraid to get busted themselves. Apparantly, a couple of them had drugs in their cars and they were worried about that, even though they had nothing to do with the altercation. I heard that conversation with my own ears.

So I called the police with my cell phone, had description of the cars, and license plate numbers of both vehicles written down.

Anyway, that is a perfect example of one or two people getting a bunch of others to act. Many folks DON'T know what to do. But many will be willing to help someone else that is trying to do SOMETHING. In this day and age, it's scary to get physically involved. There's a good chance that you could get hurt or killed. You never know what someone is on or what they are carrying anymore. I just can't help it sometimes. Too many years as a bouncer I guess. :shrug:

If you don't want to get physically involved, get a license plate, note physical descriptions (what they are wearing, hair color), locations and call the police. Let them check it out. Follow the car while on the phone with police if you feel that someone is in danger. ANYTHING is better than nothing.
 
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