Devout Catholic Farmers Barred From Farmer's Market Fight City In Michigan

[GURPS]

ADF Senior Counsel Kate Anderson stated, “All Americans should be free to live and speak according to their deeply held religious beliefs without fear of government punishment. Yet East Lansing officials changed their market policy to shut out Steve Tennes because they don’t like his Catholic beliefs regarding marriage. That unconstitutional discrimination is what led to the court’s temporary order in favor of Steve in 2017.”

The sequence of events went like this: prior to 2016, the Tennes family, which employs a diversified group of people including some who are LGBT, had attended the farmer’s market for seven years. But in 2016, the couple was asked on Facebook if they would host a same-sex wedding. Tennes said on Facebook that he believed in biblical marriage between one man and one woman, precipitating the city's action. Yet the Tennes farm is 22 miles from East Lansing, outside the city’s boundaries and beyond its jurisdiction.

ADF noted that during a public debate, a city council member said Tennes’ Catholic beliefs were “ridiculous, horrible, [and] hateful things.” ADF added that the mayor of East Lansing criticized Tennes for translating his “Catholic view on marriage” into a business practice.


https://www.dailywire.com/news/45840/devout-catholic-farmers-barred-farmers-market-hank-berrien

 

[vraiblonde]

It's an a$$hole move to try and trap someone into "discriminating" against you so you can sic the government on them. But, like anything, we've overcorrected in our move toward acceptance.

 

[BernieP]

I agree, we should ban the Roman Catholic Church. Any church that doesn't not conform to the demands of the Political Correctness Police (PCPD) should be disbanned and denied access to social media in order to prevent the spread of their hate speach.

 

[GURPS]

It's an a$$hole move to try and trap someone into "discriminating" against you

Indeed ... a game well played by LGBT and supported by Progressives in Gov. Everywhere ....

the person filing the complaint against could have gone ANYWHERE else to get that cake ..... no they have to persecute the Christian Baker because he does not agree with their lifestyle.

 

[Monello]

Devout Catholic? Is that one that abstains from child molestation on Friday?

 

[Hijinx]

You don't have to be very devout to say you believe marriage is one man and one woman.

And though Monello thinks he is being funny with his molestation joke Catholics are no different than any others in condemning the sins or crimes of some of it's practitioners.We believe the Church is very remiss in not culling these people from the Church, but it does not change our faith.

 

[Monello]

And though Monello thinks he is being funny with his molestation joke Catholics are no different than any others in condemning the sins or crimes of some of it's practitioners.We believe the Church is very remiss in not culling these people from the Church, but it does not change our faith.

I'm not trying to be funny. I was pointing out how the church knew there was a severe issue and chose to do nothing. Worse they moved offenders around while not seeking prosecution of obvious child molesters.

Until all the pedophyles are purged and tried, I will point out the church's hypocracy. The faithful should put pressure on the Vatican to see that this happens ASAP. We've know about this for a while. Rome has known about this for decades.

I also believe that it's no surprise that so many child molesters ended up in the same profession. Kiddie diddlers knew they would be safe behind the collar of a catholic priest. Only in the century has their decades long reign of perversion come to light. Read up on the lives of children that were ruined. How the church begged the parents not to go public with the abuse. Instead they made hush payments to families. Every investigation in each diocese finds hundreds of priest abusing thousands of children. It's no coincidence and anyone who things that is a fool.

Some things to read clergy abuse more abusers

 

[GURPS]

I'm not trying to be funny.

yeah well don't forget the Sandusky's of the world, while you stand on your sanctimonious soap box

 

[vraiblonde]

yeah well don't forget the Sandusky's of the world, while you stand on your sanctimonious soap box

I'm curious why that comment triggered you and put you on the attack.

 

[Monello]

yeah well don't forget the Sandusky's of the world, while you stand on your sanctimonious soap box

Jerry got what he deserved. Jail time and lots of it. Too many guilty priests walking around free.

Why is it that catholics always have to counter with "well other groups are doing it too"!!!?

 

[Hijinx]

I'm not trying to be funny. I was pointing out how the church knew there was a severe issue and chose to do nothing. Worse they moved offenders around while not seeking prosecution of obvious child molesters.

Until all the pedophyles are purged and tried, I will point out the church's hypocracy. The faithful should put pressure on the Vatican to see that this happens ASAP. We've know about this for a while. Rome has known about this for decades.

I also believe that it's no surprise that so many child molesters ended up in the same profession. Kiddie diddlers knew they would be safe behind the collar of a catholic priest. Only in the century has their decades long reign of perversion come to light. Read up on the lives of children that were ruined. How the church begged the parents not to go public with the abuse. Instead they made hush payments to families. Every investigation in each diocese finds hundreds of priest abusing thousands of children. It's no coincidence and anyone who things that is a fool.

Some things to read clergy abuse more abusers

Devout Catholic? Is that one that abstains from child molestation on Friday?

This is not an accusation made against those pedophiles who are guilty of using their religion to satisfy their sick sexual conduct.
And I do not know of any Catholic who condones this or condones the Church hiding them.
I can assure you that devout Catholics are as upset about what the Church has done over the years as you or anyone else is.

This statement is a general one that infers that all Catholics are guilty.
I also point out that this same charge of pedophilia and sexual misconduct is happening in ministries other than Catholics.
Because there are problems with a minority of Priests is no reason to make a general statement inferring that all Catholics are child molesters.

 

[Monello]

Devout Catholic? Is that one that abstains from child molestation on Friday?

This is not an accusation made against those pedophiles who are guilty of using their religion to satisfy their sick sexual conduct.
And I do not know of any Catholic who condones this or condones the Church hiding them.
I can assure you that devout Catholics are as upset about what the Church has done over the years as you or anyone else is.

This statement is a general one that infers that all Catholics are guilty complicit. If everyone withheld offerings until the accused were outed, this would be done in a week.
I also point out that this same charge of pedophilia and sexual misconduct is happening in ministries other than Catholics. See quote below
Because there are problems with a minority of Priests is no reason to make a general statement inferring that all Catholics are child molesters. True but silence/inaction is abetting

Again I ask:

Why is it that catholics always have to counter with "well other groups are doing it too"!!!?

If devout catholics are upset, how come some organization calling itself the catholic league is going after people who are trying to hold the church accountable? They claim that SNAP is going for a big payday from the church. Oh and they also use the old canard of other groups are doing it too.

I wish the anger you feel when I mention the abuse was redirected to the people who did the actual abuse(and covered it up), instead anger towards the people pointing it out the abuse.

SNAP bills itself as “the largest, oldest and most active support group for women and men wounded by religious authority figures (priests, ministers, bishops, deacons, nuns and others).” In fact, it rarely deals with ministers, and there are few “others.” Almost all of its work is directed at the Catholic Church.

The information about the SNAP conference contained in this report was provided by individuals who were there. They have impeccable credentials and are a trusted source. What they saw and heard is disturbing, and not just to those who are grateful for all the good work that Catholic priests have done, and continue to do: any fair-minded person would be just as taken aback by what occurred. Imbued with rage, most of the presentations had all the markings of a people possessed by revenge. Their goal has less to do with helping victims than it does in punishing the Catholic Church.

And some character assassination against the people who have successfully sued them. Because at the end of the day, it's all about the money.

When it comes to attorneys who have made a career out of suing the Catholic Church, Jeffrey Anderson has no equal.
Anderson has had a checkered life in more ways than one. A hippie who dropped out of college, he sold shoes after finally graduating from the University of Minnesota.
A recovering alcoholic, he has a long, and profitable, record of suing the Catholic Church. In one settlement alone, he netted half a billion dollars; he regularly collects upwards of 40 percent from each settlement. Not surprisingly, the lion’s share of his work is directed at the Catholic Church.
When Anderson said that the lawsuits are not about the money, he was speaking honestly. To be sure, money is a major motivator for his clients. But greed is not what fires him. No, what inspires him, and those of his ilk, is something deeper, something money can’t buy. Hatred. That’s the only way to understand why Anderson continues to file suit after suit against the Vatican—nothing would make him happier than to bring down the pope.

catholic league for religious and civil rights

 

[Hijinx]

I wish the anger you feel when I mention the abuse was redirected to the people who did the actual abuse(and covered it up), instead anger towards the people pointing it out the abuse.
I don't need to redirect that anger I already have it, and your post did not point out the perpetrators or derelict priests. it was directed at every person who is Catholic.

 

[GURPS]

Family Farmers Refused To Hold Same-Sex Weddings, Were Banned From A Local Farmer’s Market. Now They Await A Judge’s Ruling.


“If a city can target and punish a farmer for his religious beliefs on marriage, and do the things that they did and get away with that kind of authority over somebody’s religious beliefs… they really have the power to try to impact everybody’s religious beliefs,” ADF senior counsel Kate Anderson told Fox News.

The lawsuit received a bench trial last week and is awaiting a ruling from a judge. In the farm’s favor are two Supreme Court rulings that were decided since the family’s troubles began, although those decisions may not help in this case.

 

[GURPS]

City Can’t Ban Farmer From Market for Views on Same-Sex Marriage, Judge Rules​

East Lansing first barred Country Mill Farms from its farmers market in 2017 after the Tenneses posted on Facebook in August 2016: “Due to our religious beliefs, we do not participate in the celebration of a same-sex union.” The post was in response to a question about the family farm’s services as a wedding venue.

Jay Richards, director of The Heritage Foundation’s Richard and Helen DeVos Center for Life, Religion, and Family, praised the Michigan court ruling in an email to The Daily Signal, Heritage’s multimedia news organization.

“The District Court made exactly the right judgment,” Richards, also the think tank’s William Simon senior research fellow in religious liberty and civil society, said. “East Lansing was using the cover of ‘nondiscrimination’ not to protect its citizens, but, to, well, to discriminate against religious believers with whom it disagrees.”

As The Daily Signal previously reported, the Tenneses filed a federal lawsuit in May 2017 against East Lansing over its decision to ban them from selling produce at the farmers market even though their farm is 22 miles outside the city in a different jurisdiction.

That September, The Daily Signal reported, Maloney ordered East Lansing to reinstate the couple at the farmers market while the lawsuit over their refusal to host same-sex weddings made its way through court. At the time, the couple hosted traditional weddings at their farm.