Diversity & inclusion agenda burns down Canadian national park

[Monello]

Can we just go back to the old days where the most capable people got the job. Not the people who check different boxes get employed, regardless of their skills & talents.

I'm sure there are plenty of capable female firefighter. Add them into an integrated crew. And all should go well. Putting unqualified people on a team because of their natal plumbing is bad juju.

A prescribed burn highlighted on the agenda of a women’s firefighting conference, held to promote “diversity and inclusion” in a male-dominated field, didn’t go well.
Accidentally setting Banff National Park ablaze wasn’t part of the plan.
The prescribed burn was carried out in Compound Meadows, adjacent to the Banff townsite, by Parks Canada and participants in Canada’s first-ever Women-in-Fire Training Exchange (WTREX).

WTREX Is an event to promote diversity and inclusion in fire management. “We had 50 participants onsite. They were female for the most part. We do have a few men and a few folks who are non-binary.”

SLOBODIAN: Female firefighters planned burn goes awry in Banff

A prescribed burn highlighted on the agenda of a women’s firefighting conference, held to promote “diversity and inclusion” in a male-dominated field, didn’t go

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[RoseRed]

As Kelso would say, BURRRRRNNNN!

 

[Hijinx]

Can we just go back to the old days where the most capable people got the job. Not the people who check different boxes get employed, regardless of their skills & talents.

I'm sure there are plenty of capable female firefighter. Add them into an integrated crew. And all should go well. Putting unqualified people on a team because of their natal plumbing is bad juju.

SLOBODIAN: Female firefighters planned burn goes awry in Banff

A prescribed burn highlighted on the agenda of a women’s firefighting conference, held to promote “diversity and inclusion” in a male-dominated field, didn’t go

www.westernstandard.news

There are not many. There are a few, and even they are not as capable as men.
Take it from someone who knows.

 

[rio]

There are not many. There are a few, and even they are not as capable as men.
Take it from someone who knows.

Take it from someone else who knows...there are not many, but a few of them who are can beat out the men. My daughter is certified in controlled burns. She was the only female on certification day and out of 75+ she was 3rd overall. There were many men who did not pass at all. And it was not handed to her, the guy conducting the test was very openly against having a female there and even he could find no reason to fault her skill. She had earned the respect of many of the men who were there and that she out-performed. She is not anywhere near large or butch, either.

 

[vraiblonde]

My neighbor in Middletown was a firefighter and she was quite capable.

 

[CPUSA]

Take it from someone else who knows...there are not many, but a few of them who are can beat out the men. My daughter is certified in controlled burns. She was the only female on certification day and out of 75+ she was 3rd overall. There were many men who did not pass at all. And it was not handed to her, the guy conducting the test was very openly against having a female there and even he could find no reason to fault her skill. She had earned the respect of many of the men who were there and that she out-performed. She is not anywhere near large or butch, either.

You got to watch her test out?
That is so cool!! I'm sure that was a proud day, for sure....

 

[Clem72]

My neighbor in Middletown was a firefighter and she was quite capable.

Maybe she was. Not too many women can fireman's carry even a small person while simultaneously wearing up to 75 lbs of PPE. I'm sure some can, but not many.

 

[Hijinx]

I remember years back when they were trying to start a generator or hurst tool with a pull cord not many of them could do it and forget the chain saw. They had trouble with the ladders , and the standpipe bag going up steps. They just weren't strong enough, and instead of hiring the ones that could ,they took them all because they were female. Then there is the problem of aging. When a man gets to be about 40 he starts losing his own strength, When a woman never had it to begin with and turns 40 they are just about useless at the more physical requirements. They injure themselves are go on light duty or get retired for disability. Some men do too, but not as frequently.
But go ahead and believe that women can do this job as well as men. and watch the job turn to sh*t

 

[Tech]

I remember years back when they were trying to start a generator or hurst tool with a pull cord not many of them could do it and forget the chain saw. They had trouble with the ladders , and the standpipe bag going up steps.

That first generation Hurst power unit was a b*tch.

 

[rio]

You got to watch her test out?
That is so cool!! I'm sure that was a proud day, for sure....

I didn't get to watch, but I heard from some of the guys that took the test with her. They are ones that she actually trained with and knew her capabilities so weren't as surprised as others when she did so well. What a lot of men don't realize is that sometimes its not all about brute strength, but finesse and knowing how to put your strengths to work for you to compensate where you lack.

 

[Hijinx]

That first generation Hurst power unit was a b*tch.

The motor that operated it was a POS and the unit was heavy, but it worked well.
So much better then the hydraulic porta-power that we used before it came to us.

 

[WingsOfGold]

I didn't get to watch, but I heard from some of the guys that took the test with her. They are ones that she actually trained with and knew her capabilities so weren't as surprised as others when she did so well. What a lot of men don't realize is that sometimes its not all about brute strength, but finesse and knowing how to put your strengths to work for you to compensate where you lack.

She's one of few, good for her. My experience of waves doing traditionally men's jobs differ. Sure, some could do it but most couldn't.

 

[rio]

She's one of few, good for her. My experience of waves doing traditionally men's jobs differ. Sure, some could do it but most couldn't.

I do agree that hiring people solely based on "equity and diversity" is NOT a good practice, I just don't like it when people automatically assume that's why a woman was hired in some fields.

Nobody gives a second thought to women being physical therapists, nursing assistants, etc..., and these women lift and manipulate people much larger than them on a regular basis. I am 4'11, weighed 90#s, and was able to transfer a 6'3" , 250# quadriplegic from his wheelchair to bed, or shower chair, without any lifts or assistance from others.

 

[Grumpy]

I am 4'11, weighed 90#s, and was able to transfer a 6'3" , 250# quadriplegic from his wheelchair to bed, or shower chair, without any lifts or assistance from others.

 

[CPUSA]

I am 4'11, weighed 90#s, and was able to transfer a 6'3" , 250# quadriplegic from his wheelchair to bed, or shower chair, without any lifts or assistance from others.

Yeah, but hitting someone with a cattle prod to get them to move isn't the same!!....J/K

 

[Clem72]

I am 4'11, weighed 90#s, and was able to transfer a 6'3" , 250# quadriplegic from his wheelchair to bed, or shower chair, without any lifts or assistance from others.

Funny you should say that, because I knew a quadriplegic gentleman who was much smaller than that and none of the nurses in the entire facility could lift him in or out of his bed alone. They had to team up or draft a nearby man, usually a fairly large one, to help. Something about a floppy body makes it much harder to lift then the equivalent weight sack of grain or barbel.

If you could transfer that person from a chair to the bed while wearing scrubs that is impressive. It's still miles away from being able to carry them 100ft through a building while wearing turnout gear.

 

[rio]

Funny you should say that, because I knew a quadriplegic gentleman who was much smaller than that and none of the nurses in the entire facility could lift him in or out of his bed alone. They had to team up or draft a nearby man, usually a fairly large one, to help. Something about a floppy body makes it much harder to lift then the equivalent weight sack of grain or barbel.

If you could transfer that person from a chair to the bed while wearing scrubs that is impressive. It's still miles away from being able to carry them 100ft through a building while wearing turnout gear.

Oh, I definitely couldn't carry him more than a few feet I knew my limits! As I mentioned in another comment, a lot of it is about finess and positioning. I would squat down and flip his upper body over my shoulder, grab him under his thighs while he was still sitting, then I would use the strength of my legs to lift him up and pivot to whatever apparatus we were aiming for, then use my legs to lower or raise him to sitting on that. If he was in a prone position in bed I would brace my body in a way so as not to be using my back to pull (yes, sometimes I would be straddling him in bed) and use my arm strength to pull his torso to me and then step off the bed and complete the transfer as above. This was in a home setting and there was usually no one else at home to help while I was there. I could not go to a gym and bench press that same weight because I could not distribute the weight of a barbell the same way.

 

[Sneakers]

Something about a floppy body makes it much harder to lift then the equivalent weight sack of grain or barbel.

The "dead body" tactic used by protesters in the 60s. Took a lot of effort for police to move them.

 

[PrchJrkr]

The "dead body" tactic used by protesters in the 60s. Took a lot of effort for police to move them.

I experienced this with a groundhog at work yesterday. My Saturday coworker let her dogs run in the back lot and they killed it. I should've waited for rigor to set in before putting it in a box for disposal. I had all I could do to pick it up on a shovel. It was like picking up a bag of warm Jello cubes.

 

[Clem72]

I experienced this with a groundhog at work yesterday. My Saturday coworker let her dogs run in the back lot and they killed it. I should've waited for rigor to set in before putting it in a box for disposal. I had all I could do to pick it up on a shovel. It was like picking up a bag of warm Jello cubes.

I was going to go with a weighted blanket comparison, but dead groundhog works.