Drones Over NJ

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Yesterday, NorthJersey.com ran one of many bizarre unidentified flying drone stories this weekend headlined, “North Jersey mayors demand action from NJ, feds on flurry of drone sightings.” Last Tuesday, the FBI issued a joint statement with the New Jersey State Police and the State Office of Homeland Security setting up a tipline for information from the public related to "the recent sightings of possible drones flying in several areas along the Raritan River."

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CLIP: Four grainy videos of unidentified flying objects over Brooklyn, New York (2:00).

Last fall, giant mystery drones allegedly plagued East Coast military bases, leaving the government claiming bafflement. Now, a year later, the unidentified flying drones are back, blanketing New Jersey’s sensitive sites, waking people up, spreading to New York, arrogantly swanking around wherever they want, and generally making nuisances of themselves.

“U.S. officials don’t know who is behind the drones,” one WSJ article reported, “or how to stop them.” But … do they want to stop them?

Described as ‘car-sized,’ the lighted, buzzing drones have been reported all over New Jersey, in at least a dozen counties, and are zipping over sensitive sites like a military weapons design center, Trump’s golf course, and an active reservoir. The FBI seems helplessly confounded, and the FAA keeps creating temporary “no fly” zones trying to protect commercial air assets.

The drones are lit up. They seem to be trying to avoid collisions. And they obviously aren’t trying to hide.

👽 I researched drones that could fit the profile, information invisible in most of the media reports. Two categories of drones are at least as big as a small car. First, prototypes of “flying cars” — drones that, if the FAA ever allows it, could be used for personal air transportation. You can’t buy one, so you could say they are priceless. You definitely can’t fly them without special FAA permission, not without breaking a zillion laws. It’s unclear why flying car developers would risk huge penalties to test their prototypes like this instead of doing it legally and in the clear.

The second possible category are the cargo drones. These are autonomous flyers, like hobby drones, except bigger. They’re operated by remote control, but unlike hobby drones, they carry a substantial payload. Amazon, for example, has been testing delivery drones in this category. But more common are military drones used to drop bombs. These drones cost from hundreds of thousands up to millions of dollars, if you can buy them, that is.

Whatever scofflaw is flying these drones is committing felonies right and left, some serious. Commercially available drones above the $100 range are equipped with GPS, and they are all programmed not to fly near sensitive sites. So, between the size, cost, and apparent lack of software limits, they strongly suggest a military origin, not least because who else would be so unconcerned about all the potential criminal liability, should one of the drones malfunction, land, and be captured?

Could it be China or Russia? One suspects the U.S. military would be much more concerned and proactive if that were true. On the other hand, see the sordid story of China’s spy balloon. If the U.S. military is testing these drones, they are working outside of official channels. One possibility is the agency testing the drones doesn’t want the FAA leaking operational details, like when the tests will occur.

Finally, if you are a hardcore UFO buff, and prefer an out-of-this-world theory, some speculate these “drones” could be something else, merely camouflaged as drones. Nobody’s caught one. Nobody has seen one take off or land. A fascinating theory, but why would aliens undertake all this fake droning? Maybe, since they’re aliens, it doesn’t have to make sense?


This weekend, nineteen local New Jersey officials requested help from law enforcement agencies, the FAA, the Department of Homeland Security, and the New Jersey State Police. Their joint letter complained that those agencies took “a reactive instead of proactive approach” to the problem.

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New Jersey residents “pay a fortune for government,” the testy officials wrote, and “right now either our government is keeping us in the dark or they are failing to act on taxpayers’ concerns over these unidentified drones.” One could not help but detect a note of deep frustration.

Last Thursday, New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy attended a drone briefing with Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, senior officials from the Department of Homeland Security, the New Jersey Office of Homeland Security and Preparedness, and New Jersey State Police, to discuss the sightings.

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In an NBC video report headlined, “Growing mystery over drone sightings in New York & New Jersey, the reporter interviewed a couple independent citizens who were launching their own hobby drones, trying to find and approach the mystery drones and capture some better video. That common-sense solution prompted the question why none of the FBI, FAA, Homeland Security, New York and New Jersey police are trying to do the same obvious thing.

Other citizens reported shooting laser pointers at the drones, which seemed to quickly respond:

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CLIP: Citizen video of lasering drones (1:34).

Again, if this drone invasion were a wide-scale, classified military test of new drone technology, we might expect to see a feeble official response, pretending not to know what’s going on and just going through the motions. Let the citizens try, if the useless federal government can’t or won’t. Deputize us!

Here’s a Fox report speculating whether the drones are in fact a secret U.S. military test, but then contrasted that question with a Pentagon statement suggesting the Department of Defense really doesn’t know where the drones are coming from:

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CLIP: Fox asks, is it or isn’t it a military test? (1:05)

Whatever the explanation, this story is getting a lot of attention. It seems likely we will soon either find out or they’ll stop. What do you think is going on?



 
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thurley42

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I wonder why these are being referred to as Drones and not UAP? They obviously don't know what they are, and I'm not familiar with a UAS in the world that moves like that......strange for sure
 
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Tech

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JKP comes out dressed like this.😂
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Ken King

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We can easily shoot these things down. Why hasn't it happened already?
Seriously?

Well, it is against the law - you can't shoot at aircraft - manned or unmanned. And these are over populated areas where missed shoots could injure someone on the ground, not to mention for successful shots it could shower debris causing unforeseen damage or injury.
 

Kyle

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Seriously?

Well, it is against the law - you can't shoot at aircraft - manned or unmanned. And these are over populated areas where missed shoots could injure someone on the ground, not to mention for successful shots it could shower debris causing unforeseen damage or injury.
Just be sure the arc is directed toward Trenton.
 

SamSpade

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Because out government knows what/who they are.
So - they could be Russian or Chinese - or terrorists scoping out bomb targets - or crooks spying on citizens -

And we're helpless to do anything about it, because we're worried the pieces might hit someone?

I am somewhat sure that these things are already breaking the law. Why hasn't our government eliminated them?
 

Ken King

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So - they could be Russian or Chinese - or terrorists scoping out bomb targets - or crooks spying on citizens -
Yeah, could be, but are they?
And we're helpless to do anything about it, because we're worried the pieces might hit someone?
Some reports are saying they are the size of SUVs, collateral damage might be more of an issue than you might think.
I am somewhat sure that these things are already breaking the law. Why hasn't our government eliminated them?
Probably because to eliminate them you need to know who is doing it. As far as I know they can't even track them. It really shows how useless our radar systems are for tracking low altitude targets.
 

Ken King

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Yep. SINCE 9/11, they take the air space over the Capitol very seriously.

Not sure you're helping - do we want MORE crashes?
Actually there are no longer any active and ongoing combat air patrols over DC, all that is still going on is the maintenance of the prohibited no fly zone by the FAA/DOD and that isn't 100% as flights out of Reagan still go on. When it takes seconds to cause havoc having interceptors on the ground in an alert status don't get it done.

And what exactly are you doing to help? Oh, I know, you want the drones shot down to cause damage and havoc.

One would think with today's technology that the origin of flight for the drones should already be known even if the drones "go dark" when they are spotted.
 
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