Education and Big business

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
In its last session, Wisconsin legislators pushed forward bills to close low-performing public schools and replace them with less accountable, privately run enterprises. The Economic Policy Institute asked Lafer to analyze the effects of privatization on the children these schools serve.

given the current system, how are school administrators accountable :shrug:

seems to me if the dollars are withheld - ie students leave private schools that do not get the JOB done - then the school changes course or goes under ... not so with 'Public' Schools ... collectively we throw more and more money at schools with NO improvement

Competition is a good thing, not mandates from some Fed Crat in DC 2000 miles away


G Lafer - the same guy that rails against Right to Work states [no thanks]



Is a charter school chain called Rocketship ready to soar across America?


Policymakers, foundations and business leaders are ravenous for schools that can educate all children, regardless of income. And they don’t want just a handful of successes. They want a big idea, on a grand scale.

Danner, a boyish 45-year-old Silicon Valley entrepreneur and onetime public school teacher, believes he has the answer.

On standardized tests, Rocketship students — overwhelmingly poor, Latino and Spanish-speaking — have outscored the county and state average. In some cases, the “Rocketeers” have performed as well as students in nearby Palo Alto public schools, where Stanford University professors send their children.

Danner wants to take his model and expand it into the nation’s largest chain of charter schools, reaching 50 cities by 2020.

Rocketship’s scores, combined with an unusual educational and financial model, have made it the darling of the school reform movement. Cities across the country, including in the District and New York, are clamoring for Rocketship to set up shop. The Obama administration has invested $2 million to speed its growth.

But some wonder if five-year-old Rocketship is producing miracles or mirages. Will a model that succeeds in San Jose also flourish in Nashville? Can a strategy that works for a handful of schools be expanded across the country? And can the achievement gap be eliminated?



http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2014/01/21/19el-rotation.h33.html
 

Lurk

Happy Creepy Ass Cracka
If you don't believe that public Education in our country right now is under attack by big business and special interests, perhaps you ought to read this report and connect the dots.

http://www.progressive.org/news/201...ocketship-school-privatization-hurt-poor-kids

(And for those of you who will criticize the source, I don't care WHO puts it out there, I'm going to read it and judge for accuracy anyway.)

You're talking about the entire 52 page report, yes? Rather than criticize (or support) the progressive source of the link, wouldn't it be better to debate what the report purports to demonstrate?
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
If you don't believe that public Education in our country right now is under attack by big business and special interests, perhaps you ought to read this report and connect the dots. )

Business is after the money. Public education is a stunning racket and here is why; The national average for public education is about $11,000 per kid per year. Class of 25, that's $275,000. Teachers get about $55,000 of that. Not bad but, what happens to the other $220,000? Per classroom?
 

Lurk

Happy Creepy Ass Cracka
Business is after the money. Public education is a stunning racket and here is why; The national average for public education is about $11,000 per kid per year. Class of 25, that's $275,000. Teachers get about $55,000 of that. Not bad but, what happens to the other $220,000? Per classroom?

Visit the office of the county Superintendent of schools or any football coach's digs lately?
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
Business is after the money. Public education is a stunning racket and here is why; The national average for public education is about $11,000 per kid per year. Class of 25, that's $275,000. Teachers get about $55,000 of that. Not bad but, what happens to the other $220,000? Per classroom?

Still a lot not covered in that. For one thing, for every teacher in the classroom, there's at least one staff member that you wouldn't regard as a teacher in a public school - the school nurse, the maintenance workers, the librarian, the gym teachers, the music teachers, the special ed teachers, the art teacher, principal and vice principal. Not a massive hierarchy, but you do need them.

There's transportation and facility and grounds costs and upkeep. Until I looked at the budget of our church, I used to think sheesh, one preacher and his secretary and a couple part-time workers - where's the rest of it go? Well, if we could have a church without a building, it would be easy, because staff costs are chump change compared to everything else. Old churches can be really hard to keep cool or warm or well-lit.

That's not to say there isn't a LOT of waste in public education. Think of it - how many PRIVATE schools charge that much for a year of school - in elementary school? They cut costs because they have to stay in business. They depend on volunteers. They don't have specialized teachers so often - their own teachers do double duty. They often don't pay for transportation. But sometimes they don't have some things the public schools DO have, like special education instructors. Years ago in Milwaukee they made a big deal that their voucher program was a boon for the state, because the money the state paid in vouchers was LESS than they paid per pupil in school. It SAVED money.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
That's not to say there isn't a LOT of waste in public education.

Think of it - how many PRIVATE schools charge that much for a year of school - in elementary school? - my daughters tuition is $ 560 a month x 12 [yes school is only 9 months, the payments are broken into 12]

They depend on volunteers. - yep even then it is neigh impossible to get more than a hand full in this area, because of the long hours parents work

They often don't pay for transportation. - Parents get the children to School - and you do not need transportation when you are not busing black children from one district to another ...

Hot Lunch Program - cost more - but the children want to eat the Food plus any money paid, NOT spent providing meals, goes back to the school ...
Soccer - cost more

you do not have constant class room interruptions, students are separated / move if two cannot sit together

if Suzi, Sally, Tyrone, or Terrill cannot behave, they don't come back next yr
[this is one of the problems with the public school system - they have to take everyone which is stupid, someone is a constant disruption out they should go]
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
That's not to say there isn't a LOT of waste in public education. .

And that is THE issue be it government provided education, health care, electricity, water, trash collection or a government protected entity like auto makers, bankers, insurers; how much waste WILL there be?

I stopped being a 100% pure capitalist right after I came to grips that, for the ultimate capitalists, the ultimate predators, there is never enough because that is no longer the question, there is no public good, there is only MORE; Alexander;

"When Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept for there were no more worlds to conquer

Is a companies role was as part of a community? Or, is the goal is for it to BE the community? "State of Maryland brought to you by BSE Systems" It used to be a boss made 3 or 4 times, in small business, and maybe 20 to 1 in a big company. A rich guy still went to your grocery store, your church, lived not too far away and was, for sure, rich but, you could see making $1 an hour and him $20. Now, it's 200:1 and it is inconceivable to someone making $20 an hour what $4,000 an hour is all about. That's not in anyone's zip-code let alone sharing ANY part of regular society.

What is needed is balance. Public schools need much, MUCH more competition to shrink that waste. Health care needs the same thing. Banks, insurers. Too Big To Fail (public school, our health system) try to be all things to all people absent the dynamic tensions of something needing to work in context of it, at the very least, paying for itself.

Are there things the 'Too Big to fails" provide that for profit does not? Sure. But, when we don't place a value on those things, they become meaningless. And they certainly don't, can't, perform in any sort of reasonable fashion absent the dynamics of SOME level of competition.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
if Suzi, Sally, Tyrone, or Terrill cannot behave, they don't come back next yr
[this is one of the problems with the public school system - they have to take everyone which is stupid, someone is a constant disruption out they should go]

AH, yes, but, therein lies the issue; where do they go??? They HAVE to go somewhere.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
AH, yes, but, therein lies the issue; where do they go??? They HAVE to go somewhere.



Where did they used to go? Jobs that dont really require a full education, ditchdigging, etc. Same place they end up now, only the have multiplied the cost of them ending there staggeringly, through the direct cost to keep them entertained, and the indirect cost of the extra time and effort to care about kids who can be educated to good reason.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Where did they used to go? Jobs that dont really require a full education, ditchdigging, etc. Same place they end up now, only the have multiplied the cost of them ending there staggeringly, through the direct cost to keep them entertained, and the indirect cost of the extra time and effort to care about kids who can be educated to good reason.

:yay:
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Where did they used to go? Jobs that dont really require a full education, ditchdigging, etc. Same place they end up now, only the have multiplied the cost of them ending there staggeringly, through the direct cost to keep them entertained, and the indirect cost of the extra time and effort to care about kids who can be educated to good reason.

Reform school, work. Those options, along with the community support for them, is gone.

We American's always, or, mostly, want one thing and then not the other thing that is necessary to make the one thing happen. In the mean time, behavioral issue kids have to go somewhere.
 
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