Edwards, what a jerk.

[Ken King]

And this guy has aspirations of being the Commander in Chief, UFB. http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030630-113746-7072r.htm

 

[SmallTown]

Yesterday, however, Mr. Briggs acknowledged that his boss was stalling the bill.
"We support this bill, but Senator Edwards wants his amendment voted on," he said. "He wants to make a good bill better."

The Edwards amendment would waive interest accrued by soldiers while engaged in military action and would cost about $10 million per deployment, Mr. Briggs said.

 

[vraiblonde]

ST, you left out the good part:

Told last week that everyone involved with the legislation adamantly said that Mr. Edwards put the hold on it, Edwards spokesman Mike Briggs replied, "They're adamantly wrong."

Yesterday, however, Mr. Briggs acknowledged that his boss was stalling the bill.

"We support this bill, but Senator Edwards wants his amendment voted on," he said. "He wants to make a good bill better."

So here we go again - liar liar pants on fire. Now I'm putting my money on Edwards taking the Dem nomination. All he had to do was show up looking cute and send his toadies out to lie their faces off and the Dems peed themselves with the reincarnation of Willie Jeff!

 

[mrs. katie]

Rick loves this guy...I hate him!

 

[Penn]

And Alan Colmes was grilling Ann Coulter the other night about who in the Democrapic Party is acting in a treasonous manner, as a review of her newest book?

Sen Edwards sent his spokesman out(Mr. Briggs) out to "adamantly deny" his boss had the anonymous hold in this HEROES Bill, only to have to fess up, that in fact Sen. Edwards has the hold on this bill.

But only "to make it better", so HE can look good and further HIS political capital?

Geez, is Willie Jeff coaching from the sidelines?

Like Ken said: UFB!! Where do they find these people??

 

[SmallTown]

pen, it is called politics. If you can't handle it, don't keep up with it... Politics isn't for the faint of heart.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by SmallTown
Politics isn't for the faint of heart.

So you just accept that our elected leaders are a bunch of lying scumbags? Just part of the process so why get juiced up about it?

 

[Penn]

Originally posted by SmallTown
pen, it is called politics. If you can't handle it, don't keep up with it... Politics isn't for the faint of heart.

Furthermore, by your flippant remark, you exhibit a certain acceptance of this behavior.

Nevermind that the act was done, "it's just politics" explains it away; like it is the way business is done - sleaze is OK.

That's the way you see it, huh?

Kind of sums you and your thinking up dosen't it.

 

[SmallTown]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
So you just accept that our elected leaders are a bunch of lying scumbags? Just part of the process so why get juiced up about it?

If politics was so great, everyone would be involved in it... To get the job, it is really cut throat... this type of cut throat mentality breeds bad bahavior. It is hard to find a "good, honest" politician because they rarely win. A lot of people talk about wanting someone who is 100% honest and trustworthy, but none of us are, why would we force others to be that way?

If you want 100% trustworthy and honest, go visit some monks. Sure, we can all sit here and say how bad it is that people lie and deceive. But talking about doesn't make it go away.

I actually find it quite amusing to think of what every politcal candidate does just to get his job in the first place, then we flip at the first thing they do wrong.

 

[SmallTown]

Originally posted by penncam
Furthermore, by your flippant remark, you exhibit a certain acceptance of this behavior.

Nevermind that the act was done, "it's just politics" explains it away; like it is the way business is done - sleaze is OK.

That's the way you see it, huh?

Kind of sums you and your thinking up dosen't it.

Is it really so hard to believe and understand?

 

[jlabsher]

I sure am glad the senator holding up all the Air Force promotions wasn't a Repuglican (DUH!) When are you righties all going to realize that ALL politicians are crooked? Thats what politics is, deal making, serving personal interests while masquerading as serving the greater good, etc.

I sure am glad I was raised in Illinois where you learn from day one that they all are that way (Daley, Walker, Powell, Edgar, Rostenkowski), while celebrating and touting honest Abe.

Anybody who tries to paint one party as being more "honest and moral" than another needs to increase their dosage of reality pills.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by SmallTown
I actually find it quite amusing to think of what every politcal candidate does just to get his job in the first place, then we flip at the first thing they do wrong.

Well, ya got me there. But can we agree that there are different levels of corruption? Clinton, frankly, raised the bar for corrupt behavior in the White House. Before him it was Nixon. It will be interesting to see what our next stinkpot gets away with.

 

[Penn]

Originally posted by SmallTown
A lot of people talk about wanting someone who is 100% honest and trustworthy, but none of us are, why would we force others to be that way?

Sure, we can all sit here and say how bad it is that people lie and deceive. But talking about doesn't make it go away.

I actually find it quite amusing to think of what every politcal candidate does just to get his job in the first place, then we flip at the first thing they do wrong.

No ST, I'm not that naive to the way the political machine works, however you and I seem to be held to one standard and the folks we elect to make the laws and pass the laws are held to different ones.

You want to try getting away with what Slick Willie was able to get away with at your company? (First, commit several acts of sexual misconduct, lie to your board of directors, getting them to lie for you, then go on public TV and lie to the rest of us?)

Would you care to guess how long your tenure of employment would be?

Saint Hillary is cut of the same cloth; she's got more lies and skeletons in her closet, that one would think she ought to be a recluse. One of the biggest debacles ever foisted on the American Public was her failed Health Care project; one could argue who has the bigger cojones in the family - Willie Jeff or Shrillary Rodham.

Remember she tried to hold "closed door" hearings in hammering out a deal with the MDs and HMO insurance folks? She wasn't even an elected official, but in her mind she was and thought she could pull it off.

The countless other various "gates" she was involved with -(remember Travelgate where she tried to ruin those peoples' lives and careers with the phony charge of monetary malfeasence) and the whole scam was to install friends of hers in that office as payback for their support. The Thomassons, I believe were their names - TV producers - Hollywood.

I watched the Beltway Boys on Fox News tonight and had to marvel how concisely the comedian Jackie Mason put it: "The American People are so stupid and their attention span so short, Hillary Clinton will have an excellent chance at the Presidency in 2008".

"What was really amazing is that she(Shrillary) took eight years of 25 cent newspaper clippings from Willie Jeff and her histories, and got a publisher to put it together with 4 other collaborators(ie., writers) and fashion a $25.00 a copy regurgitation of old news!"

I didn't catch all the words he was saying, but he alluded to the fact that the Special Prosecutor said he had enough evidence to put her behind bars, but due to her enormous popularity ,
he didn't feel he could get a conviction from a jury!

How long would either yours' or my popularity keep us out of the slammer with track records like theirs?

 

[SmallTown]

Originally posted by penncam


How long would either yours' or my popularity keep us out of the slammer with track records like theirs?

So that is the problem. You can't stand the fact that someone with such low moral values can be that much more popular than yourself. I can see and understand that. But if you're that concerned over such an issue, you could always throw your hat into the political ring and see what happens. Maybe you can put a new "clean face" into politics and reform the whole profession.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by SmallTown
You can't stand the fact that someone with such low moral values can be that much more popular than yourself.

It does boggle the mind, doesn't it? In this country we worship the worst people we can get our hands on. Who has more fans - Charles Manson or Penncam? That idiot Julia Roberts or our own Sharon the Glock chick?

But if you're that concerned over such an issue, you could always throw your hat into the political ring and see what happens.

ST, you miss the point. We basically HIRE these people to do a job. If we are dissatisfied with their performance, we have every right to call them on the carpet.

 

[Penn]

Boo Yeah!

Originally posted by vraiblonde
ST, you miss the point. We basically HIRE these people to do a job. If we are dissatisfied with their performance, we have every right to call them on the carpet.

Thanks Vrai. That was the other idea rolling around up there. I can't hold everyone to the highest standards I think are important, I'd like to, but what SmallTown says has merit in one respect: The task of getting a politicians' career off the ground is a "cut-throat" process, and I suppose it breeds like behavior.

Some of them prefer to turn away from the dirty deeds their aides and handlers do for them, making the claim "what I don't know about can't come back to bite me". Maybe that's part of the mentality.

However, to tell your aide/spokesman to "adamantly deny" the
fact that you DO have the "hold" on this bill is a whole 'nuther animal.

I just find Sen. Edwards antics a little disturbing since he's running for the highest office, and feels this is the kind of behavior is what will boost his image.

Maybe his intentions were honest(I'm not sure), but why lie about it, and say I'm not the one? Especially if the intention is to better the scope of the bill.

So the Heroes Bill was passed in April, 421-1, and sent to the Senate shortly afterwards. Makes one wonder how long Sen. Edwards plans to maintain the hold on this bill?

Is he really using it(and his amendment to it) as political capital to further his presidential cause?

 

[SmallTown]

Since this thread is discussing political behavior, I figure this article fits in pretty well.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071103A.shtml

 

[Toxick]

Originally posted by SmallTown
Since this thread is discussing political behavior, I figure this article fits in pretty well.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071103A.shtml

I remember last week, you and I got into a ... discussion ... about something or other politically, and when we were nearing the end of our communique, you mentioned something to me. You mentioned that I had assumed the whole time that you were a liberal democrat.

You further pointed out that this was a mistaken assumption, and you alluded that I had mistakenly got this impression from various posters on these boards, who for sinister reasons tried to paint you in a negative light.



I invite you to review your posts of today, and guess again where I got my political impression of you.


Not that I have a problem with that. Far be it from me to begrudge anyone their opinion. However, before you say that everyone else is making you out to be a liberal, consider that perhaps you are making yourself out to be a liberal.

Now onto the article:

Such behavior is demonstrably criminal from a moral standpoint

:

They sheer hypocrisy demonstrated by angry liberals leaves me flabbergasted, amused, and in a constant state of amazment.

Pay attention people: NOW lying is bad. 2-3 years ago, there was nothing wrong with it, and trying to apply consequences to lying was nothing but bullying, and petty partisan idiocy.

 

[SmallTown]

What does Bush's malice behavior have to do with which political party I follow? I always find that amusing. So you are telling us we can only bring to light bad things that happen in the "opposing party"?

And besides, if you read very carefully, you'll see it wasn't I that wrote the article

Pay attention people: NOW lying is bad. 2-3 years ago, there was nothing wrong with it, and trying to apply consequences to lying was nothing but bullying, and petty partisan idiocy.

And you really meant to say that lying 2-3 years ago was bad, but since this is for such a more noble cause, lying is acceptable?

So sicne clinton did it, it is ok for the republicans to do it? No, either case it is WRONG. This is exactly why I don't affiliate with political parties, they both get so wrapped up in their own little agendas they don't see things for how they really are.

But hey, if posting certain articles means you are a part of that group, maybe I should have been the first to post about the new planets. I always wanted to be an astronomer...

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by SmallTown
Since this thread is discussing political behavior, I figure this article fits in pretty well.

Why? Is it not enough that we discuss Bush among ourselves - now we have to get the opinion of someone who's not even a part of this forum? If this columnist wants to share his personal beliefs with the group, he should log on.

What does Bush's malice behavior have to do with which political party I follow?

Because your postings sound exactly like the crap they spew over at the DU. EXACTLY. That would explain why most on this forum assume you're a liberal Democrat - you sound just like them.