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PeoplesElbow said:
Toyota is really bad about leaving basic features off their base models, wanting you to pay more for a big package for things like intermittent wipers or cruise control. These things are actually pretty easy to add yourself, for example all you need for the intermittent wipers is the stalk that has the switch/circuitry inside it. The most frustrating thing is that if you have apps on your phone for things like remote start they pretty much force you into a subscription to keep using it. Unfortunately I think the world is headed this way in just about everything though.
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Here you go. Add the low maint , low CG and awesome electric power to a Toyota. Seems like a win win.

I'll also note for the OMG, EVS are soulless black boxes that nobody will modify that this guy can buy both an off the shelf quaiffe lsd and gears.

 
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PeoplesElbow said:
Been making this point for a while about depreciation ruining the savings over gas.

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I Calculated Every Penny for 50,000 Miles, My Tesla Model 3 Costs 15 Cents Per Mile, My Chevy Bolt Costs More, But My Old Toyota Is Still Winning

Think EVs are always cheaper? This deep dive into 50,000 miles of driving reveals the surprising Tesla Model 3 cost per mile and how an old Toyota still comes out on top.
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See once you bring depreciation into it, you also need to bring in sort of an apples to apples comparison on the vehicles to begin with. The Corolla is a much smaller economy car that didn't have far to depreciate to begin with. I wonder how that would look if the vehicle were a Camry with similar equipment.

For most folks there is value in having a newer, larger, safer vehicle. Hard to do math on that.
 
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glhs837 said:
See once you bring depreciation into it, you also need to bring in sort of an apples to apples comparison on the vehicles to begin with. The Corolla is a much smaller economy car that didn't have far to depreciate to begin with. I wonder how that would look if the vehicle were a Camry with similar equipment.

For most folks there is value in having a newer, larger, safer vehicle. Hard to do math on that.
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According to Google a 2020 Corolla has depreciated about $10k, a 2020 Hybrid Camry has depreciated by $10.5k. Considering the regular Corolla gets about 35 mpg and the Hybrid Camry gets 50 mpg the hybrid Camry does even better. A 2020 Hybrid RAV4 has depreciated by about $9.7k and gets 45 mpg. So either the RAV4 or Camry Hybrid is even cheaper to own.

Now if you go to the plug in versions that get about 35 miles of electric only range, which would do great for a lot of people's commutes without having to charge on long trips, I think it tilts even farther in favor of the hybrid in cost of ownership.

A week ago or so I posted an article that says EV owners replace their cars on average every 3 years vs gasoline car owners which is 12 years, it doesn't sound like people buy them to save money but more of an "I want".
 
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PeoplesElbow said:
According to Google a 2020 Corolla has depreciated about $10k, a 2020 Hybrid Camry has depreciated by $10.5k. Considering the regular Corolla gets about 35 mpg and the Hybrid Camry gets 50 mpg the hybrid Camry does even better. A 2020 Hybrid RAV4 has depreciated by about $9.7k and gets 45 mpg. So either the RAV4 or Camry Hybrid is even cheaper to own.

Now if you go to the plug in versions that get about 35 miles of electric only range, which would do great for a lot of people's commutes without having to charge on long trips, I think it tilts even farther in favor of the hybrid in cost of ownership.

A week ago or so I posted an article that says EV owners replace their cars on average every 3 years vs gasoline car owners which is 12 years, it doesn't sound like people buy them to save money but more of an "I want".
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But Hybrids add the downsides of both as well as the benefits. You have the maint cost of a gas motor and the potential of an expensive battery replacement. Increased complexity increases the chances of failure. I'll note that the battery in the RAV4 has its own cooling system. Thats a second cooling system in addition to the HVAC system that handles engine heat and passenger comfort. The article I saw mentioned this.

The answer seems to lie in a few key factors, not least of which is the higher purchasing power of electric vehicle owners. EVs often come with a higher price tag, and their owners tend to be from wealthier households, making it easier for them to afford a new vehicle every few years.
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Did SP Global correct for similar ownership pools? If it includes all vehicle owners, you are going to drive that average time way up by including folks who were keeping cars longer even before COVID and the recession. Rapid technology changes also play a factor. A 2018 Model Y is quite a different thing than a 2024 Model Y.

Saving money is a factor in quite a lot of purchasing decisions, true. But the Rise of the SUV says its certainly not the only one.
 
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glhs837 said:
But Hybrids add the downsides of both as well as the benefits. You have the maint cost of a gas motor and the potential of an expensive battery replacement. Increased complexity increases the chances of failure. I'll note that the battery in the RAV4 has its own cooling system. Thats a second cooling system in addition to the HVAC system that handles engine heat and passenger comfort. The article I saw mentioned this.



Did SP Global correct for similar ownership pools? If it includes all vehicle owners, you are going to drive that average time way up by including folks who were keeping cars longer even before COVID and the recession. Rapid technology changes also play a factor. A 2018 Model Y is quite a different thing than a 2024 Model Y.

Saving money is a factor in quite a lot of purchasing decisions, true. But the Rise of the SUV says its certainly not the only one.
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Not exactly, the hybrids lack of a real transmission and use of regenerative braking actually gives them a lower maintenance cost than a gasoline only version.

Ive known Prius gen 1&2 owners that have only done oil changes and replaced tires.

If you really want to split hairs we can throw in the cost of Tesla tire replacement vs a conventional vehicle.

My point is the saving money argument for EVs is really a wash when all is said and done.

I'll never own a high depreciation vehicle, BMW, Tesla or Chrysler.
 
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PeoplesElbow said:
Not exactly, the hybrids lack of a real transmission and use of regenerative braking actually gives them a lower maintenance cost than a gasoline only version.

Ive known Prius gen 1&2 owners that have only done oil changes and replaced tires.

If you really want to split hairs we can throw in the cost of Tesla tire replacement vs a conventional vehicle.

My point is the saving money argument for EVs is really a wash when all is said and done.

I'll never own a high depreciation vehicle, BMW, Tesla or Chrysler.
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Tires are easy, choose the right ones. :)
 
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Hybrids also lack a traditional starter. In 30 years the only vehicle problems I've had have been rust, air conditioner, starter, torque converter and transmission.

People should be honest with themselves on why you should buy an EV, for me commuters are the perfect buyer, someone with a 100 mile commute that possibly has a workplace with free charging.

Otherwise most people buy for the massive acceleration, they think it's saving the planet, or they want to virtue signal about saving the planet. Hybrid buyers were the same early on.

People latch onto things just to justify their purchase, in many cases, they aren't true. Can't tell you how many guys I knew that bought a $70k truck, a $15k side by side, a $5k trailer to haul it to go deer hunting because they had to "feed their family".

People need to be honest with themselves, how many simply want to toast the ******* in the mustang at the red light?
 
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PeoplesElbow said:
Not exactly, the hybrids lack of a real transmission and use of regenerative braking actually gives them a lower maintenance cost than a gasoline only version.

Ive known Prius gen 1&2 owners that have only done oil changes and replaced tires.

If you really want to split hairs we can throw in the cost of Tesla tire replacement vs a conventional vehicle.

My point is the saving money argument for EVs is really a wash when all is said and done.

I'll never own a high depreciation vehicle, BMW, Tesla or Chrysler.
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PeoplesElbow said:
Hybrids also lack a traditional starter. In 30 years the only vehicle problems I've had have been rust, air conditioner, starter, torque converter and transmission.

People should be honest with themselves on why you should buy an EV, for me commuters are the perfect buyer, someone with a 100 mile commute that possibly has a workplace with free charging.

Otherwise most people buy for the massive acceleration, they think it's saving the planet, or they want to virtue signal about saving the planet. Hybrid buyers were the same early on.

People latch onto things just to justify their purchase, in many cases, they aren't true. Can't tell you how many guys I knew that bought a $70k truck, a $15k side by side, a $5k trailer to haul it to go deer hunting because they had to "feed their family".

People need to be honest with themselves, how many simply want to toast the ******* in the mustang at the red light?
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As I said, saving money is just one factor in any purchase decision. And it being a wash depends heavily on so many individual factors its maybe not accurate to paint with a broad brush. The fact that you think you know why people buy them says maybe you are letting your concepts of EV owners influence your opinion of them.

Me? I wouldn't care about saving the planet, nor about saving money, although not burning fuel and saving a few bucks isn't a bad thing. . I like the speed and lack of things to go wrong. I like the tech, of course. I like the idea of not having to visit gas stations once or twice in a two week. period. But for every vehicle purchase, there's a matrix of things that go into the choice. I think you are oversimplifying what's a complex thing.
 
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glhs837

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PeoplesElbow said:
Wonder if this is politically motivated.
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PrchJrkr said:
Cut off your nose, to spite your face. Tesla drivers can find alternative routes. Tolls will suffer.
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Sure was, especially when you see that Tesla offered above rate prices and offered to let other vendors co locate. Which is a win for the citizens, but NJ dont care about that, see below.

Sneakers said:
Jersey and the Turnpike have always selected single source vendors. Reeks of kickbacks.
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Yep, same reason you still cant pump your own friken gas. The Mob still owns Jersey. They need those no show jobs.
 
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