Employment Question

[ponchie]

I just had something happen that has never happened in my entire working life. I applied for a job with a small business and was offered the position a fews days later. I was given a tentative start date for the following week. I called the business owner twice to confirm the start date to be told the night before I was not needed to start that day. I was called the following day and told I would not be able to start for another 2 weeks because the person I was replacing was staying another 2 weeks which would have me starting next week. 6 phone calls and voice mails later I was told today by the owner she doesn't KNOW when I can start. The perky person who interviewed me, hired me and "couldn't wait for me to come onboard" was very distant, short and seemed annoyed with me calling.
I had given notice to the job I had to start this one. They hired someone so there is no chance of getting my job back.
I realize this person is now giving me the brush off now, but what kind of professionalism is this. How can they offer someone a position and leave them dangling like this. Small busineses should have guidelines too although they probably don't. Any opinions? TIA

 

[LexiGirl75]

Do you have the offer of position in writing in any form or in voicemail form? Even still, I would call an attorney or the EOE just to see what avenues you can take.

Unfortunately, nothing can be done about your current/previous job because it was your choice to put in the leave and so they did what was in their rights which was to hire a replacement. They may try to find you another position in the company, not necessarily your same one or salary but they are not obligated to do so.

Sorry that you are experiencing this but that is why you have to make sure that a company is reputable before taking a risk. Small businesses are usually not wise to transition to unless your current job is less stable or you are not employed at all or you are financially prepared to take the risk.

 

[jetmonkey]

They may have gotten annoyed with you calling so much.

 

[mike44md]

I just had something happen that has never happened in my entire working life. I applied for a job with a small business and was offered the position a fews days later. I was given a tentative start date for the following week. I called the business owner twice to confirm the start date to be told the night before I was not needed to start that day. I was called the following day and told I would not be able to start for another 2 weeks because the person I was replacing was staying another 2 weeks which would have me starting next week. 6 phone calls and voice mails later I was told today by the owner she doesn't KNOW when I can start. The perky person who interviewed me, hired me and "couldn't wait for me to come onboard" was very distant, short and seemed annoyed with me calling.
I had given notice to the job I had to start this one. They hired someone so there is no chance of getting my job back.
I realize this person is now giving me the brush off now, but what kind of professionalism is this. How can they offer someone a position and leave them dangling like this. Small busineses should have guidelines too although they probably don't. Any opinions? TIA

Simular thing happened to me, I had a position in Rhode Island, was offered a position and a start date in Washington DC. I arrived to be informed that another recruiter had hired another Engineer. Well after scrambling to move my family to Maryland in record time, I contacted unemployment 1st, then I contacted a lawyer. Since mine was via a contract I was able to settle for a few dollars and submit for unemployment. By the time I had my 1st check for unemployment I was already working. I am sorry to hear this however thats your choices. I dont think the company is/would be liable to pay you however unemployment will come through.

 

[chernmax]

Any opinions? TIA

Quit typing and get back to job hunting. On a side note, that is totally fuked up what they did and if they treat new talent like this you're probably be better off in the long run, good luck...

 

[Lieutenant172]

File for unemployment only as an absolute last resort. A filing may come back to haunt you in the future if you are trying to gain a security clearance or getting a job that requires a background investigation.

As for the situation, no company is at fault. You should always get your employment offer with start date in writing before notifying your current employer.

Ron

 

[SEABREEZE 1957]

File for unemployment only as an absolute last resort. A filing may come back to haunt you in the future if you are trying to gain a security clearance or getting a job that requires a background investigation.

As for the situation, no company is at fault. You should always get your employment offer with start date in writing before notifying your current employer.

Ron

Haunt you? Really, I retired from the USN in 2000 and lived in Washington State; I really wanted to find a job there but the market was really saturated; so I used my unemployment benefits for about 6 months until I gave up trying to find a position in the Puget Sound area.

When I got a job here; I had no difficulties re-initiating my security clearance w/a background check included.

I'm not an expert in this area, but like I said, I had no problems. It may be something that is checked, but I don't think it would cause problems unless the benefits were abused.


http://www.dllr.state.md.us/employment/unemployment.html

 

[mike44md]

Haunt you? Really, I retired from the USN in 2000 and lived in Washington State; I really wanted to find a job there but the market was really saturated; so I used my unemployment benefits for about 6 months until I gave up trying to find a position in the Puget Sound area.

When I got a job here; I had no difficulties re-initiating my security clearance w/a background check included.

I'm not an expert in this area, but like I said, I had no problems. It may be something that is checked, but I don't think it would cause problems unless the benefits were abused.


http://www.dllr.state.md.us/employment/unemployment.html

I agree, have my TS without any issue due to unemployment. Bad things happen to good people, not sure where LT. got his information on it being negative.

 

[Coventry17]

There are a lot of misconceptions about security clearance investigations. Receiving unemployment and its negative impacts is one of the biggest ones.

 

[sockgirl77]

File for unemployment only as an absolute last resort. A filing may come back to haunt you in the future if you are trying to gain a security clearance or getting a job that requires a background investigation.

As for the situation, no company is at fault. You should always get your employment offer with start date in writing before notifying your current employer.

Ron

Don't you have to be employed by a place for 6 months before you can file unemployment on them?

 

[mizteresa1965]

Same thing happened to my daughter back in November. She went McLean for the job interview for a new photography studio that opened in Waldorf. She was told she would be hired part time with 35+ hours because she was taking a college course, then after the course was over she'd go full time, and was given a date she would start. She had a wonderful interview with the area manager and was very pleased, happy and excited. She put her 2 weeks in with the 'current employer at the time'. The LAST DAY at her 'current employer at the time', she received a call from the studio that she wouldn't be able to start for another 2 weeks. The 'current employer' basically said "oh well" cause they already hired someone to replace her. My daughter went 2 weeks without working. When she finally went to the studio, they said they couldn't give her more than 15 hours, and she would only be working on the weekends. She worked 3 days at the studio, and quit on the forth because she was so disgusted. The new studio was very mismanaged. 3 hours waits for appointments, inexperienced photographers, it was awful. The photographers there would take a 12 shot session, and only 1 or 2 shots would maybe come close to being good. They lost a good person when my daughter quit. I've heard from friends that have tried the studio, and none of them had nice things to say about it.

 

[Chasey_Lane]

Don't you have to be employed by a place for 6 months before you can file unemployment on them?

Unemployment goes back as far as they need to, to collect benefits. Often times it can be the job you had before terminating your most current.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

Unemployment goes back as far as they need to, to collect benefits. Often times it can be the job you had before terminating your most current.

Correct. However, if you quit your job, you are ineligible.

 

[mizteresa1965]

Correct. However, if you quit your job, you are ineligible.

Yup. That's why if an employer really really dosen't want you to work for them, they will make your work environment as awful as they can, so they don't have to fire you. You quit, you get nothing, which is cheaper for the employer because their unemployment rates don't increase. You get fired, or let go, you get unemployment.

 

[sockgirl77]

Unemployment goes back as far as they need to, to collect benefits. Often times it can be the job you had before terminating your most current.

No. What I was trying to say was, that I thought that you had to be employed by that company for 6 months before filing a claim against them for firing you. We've had issues with that here. We had a few guys that worked for us for 3 months and quit. They went to the U.O. and filed stating that they were fired. We had to send proof of there hire date and proof that they quit. They were not allowed to collect. :shrug:

 

[mike44md]

Don't you have to be employed by a place for 6 months before you can file unemployment on them?

She would file against the job she left, if she gave two weeks notice and left on good terms, the insurance come from the past employer not the one that she was going to.

 

[Chasey_Lane]

No. What I was trying to say was, that I thought that you had to be employed by that company for 6 months before filing a claim against them for firing you. We've had issues with that here. We had a few guys that worked for us for 3 months and quit. They went to the U.O. and filed stating that they were fired. We had to send proof of there hire date and proof that they quit. They were not allowed to collect. :shrug:

When you file a claim they look at your current employer then go back if needed. True, you cannot quit. Also true is that you cannot be waived unemployment for "lack of performance" based on the employer's standards.

 

[Chasey_Lane]

She would file against the job she left, if she gave two weeks notice and left on good terms, the insurance come from the past employer not the one that she was going to.

Exactly. SUTA credits whoever has enough benefits.

 

[sockgirl77]

When you file a claim they look at your current employer then go back if needed. True, you cannot quit. Also true is that you cannot be waived unemployment for "lack of performance" based on the employer's standards.

They were young laborers. My guess is that they had not held any job longer than a few months. That's probably why they were denied.

 

[mike44md]

No. What I was trying to say was, that I thought that you had to be employed by that company for 6 months before filing a claim against them for firing you. We've had issues with that here. We had a few guys that worked for us for 3 months and quit. They went to the U.O. and filed stating that they were fired. We had to send proof of there hire date and proof that they quit. They were not allowed to collect. :shrug:

Interesting, I can only go on personal experience, I guess with anything if the company wanted to go against the claim they could win.. thinking now its a 50-50 shot... but remember, Maryland is the lowest on payments versus VA and DC, DC is awsome, almost 700 a week.