Facebook to incorporate video calling and ...

group chat functionality in cooperation with Skype.

That's the 'something awesome' that Mr. Zuckerburg made reference to last week and what Facebook just announced. I'll post a link when I see one.

This strikes me as a pretty big development and may help solidify Facebook's place as one of the Big 5 tech companies going forward (along with Apple, Google, Amazon, and Microsoft).



EDIT: Facebook to Offer Video Chat In Partnership With Skype
 
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Pete

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We have come a long way since the 28.8K baud modem, trying to find a local dial in number to avoid long distance charges and "You've got mail!"
 

2lazy2P

nothing unreal exists
We have come a long way since the 28.8K baud modem, trying to find a local dial in number to avoid long distance charges and "You've got mail!"

And it wasn't all that long ago if you think about it. What - 12 years?
 
Let's set the wayback machine to ..... 1980.

I wrote my own communications program in a combination of BASIC and Assembly language on an Atari 800. Built my own cable to tie into a 300 baud modem to talk to a Control Data Cyber series computer. The Cyber communication processor was 4 x 19" racks (JUST to talk to modems and stuff...) and the printers were all hooked up as RJE (Remote Job Entry) stations using HASP protocol. I had the wonderful job of reading thru code listings (binders 10" thick by 19" wide by 12" deep, 6 of them) just to find the fault code when the comm processor crashed. And changing the code took an act of Gawd to get permission to change a timer or something.

I miss those days..... :lol:
 
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EmptyTimCup

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hackers using Commodore 64's dialed in from Germany in the 80's


I had a friend that ran a BBS for a couple yrs


our 1st Modem was a 2400 connected to a Mac IIvx
 
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EmptyTimCup

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I miss those days..... :lol:

from the Jargon File:


A Story About ‘Magic'

Some years ago, I (GLS) was snooping around in the cabinets that housed the MIT AI Lab's PDP-10, and noticed a little switch glued to the frame of one cabinet. It was obviously a homebrew job, added by one of the lab's hardware hackers (no one knows who).

You don't touch an unknown switch on a computer without knowing what it does, because you might crash the computer. The switch was labeled in a most unhelpful way. It had two positions, and scrawled in pencil on the metal switch body were the words ‘magic' and ‘more magic'. The switch was in the ‘more magic' position.

I called another hacker over to look at it. He had never seen the switch before either. Closer examination revealed that the switch had only one wire running to it! The other end of the wire did disappear into the maze of wires inside the computer, but it's a basic fact of electricity that a switch can't do anything unless there are two wires connected to it. This switch had a wire connected on one side and no wire on its other side.

It was clear that this switch was someone's idea of a silly joke. Convinced by our reasoning that the switch was inoperative, we flipped it. The computer instantly crashed.

Imagine our utter astonishment. We wrote it off as coincidence, but nevertheless restored the switch to the ‘more magic’ position before reviving the computer.

A year later, I told this story to yet another hacker, David Moon as I recall. He clearly doubted my sanity, or suspected me of a supernatural belief in the power of this switch, or perhaps thought I was fooling him with a bogus saga. To prove it to him, I showed him the very switch, still glued to the cabinet frame with only one wire connected to it, still in the ‘more magic’ position. We scrutinized the switch and its lone connection, and found that the other end of the wire, though connected to the computer wiring, was connected to a ground pin. That clearly made the switch doubly useless: not only was it electrically nonoperative, but it was connected to a place that couldn't affect anything anyway. So we flipped the switch.

The computer promptly crashed.

This time we ran for Richard Greenblatt, a long-time MIT hacker, who was close at hand. He had never noticed the switch before, either. He inspected it, concluded it was useless, got some diagonal cutters and diked it out. We then revived the computer and it has run fine ever since.

We still don't know how the switch crashed the machine. There is a theory that some circuit near the ground pin was marginal, and flipping the switch changed the electrical capacitance enough to upset the circuit as millionth-of-a-second pulses went through it. But we'll never know for sure; all we can really say is that the switch was magic.

I still have that switch in my basement. Maybe I'm silly, but I usually keep it set on ‘more magic’.

1994: Another explanation of this story has since been offered. Note that the switch body was metal. Suppose that the non-connected side of the switch was connected to the switch body (usually the body is connected to a separate earth lug, but there are exceptions). The body is connected to the computer case, which is, presumably, grounded. Now the circuit ground within the machine isn't necessarily at the same potential as the case ground, so flipping the switch connected the circuit ground to the case ground, causing a voltage drop/jump which reset the machine. This was probably discovered by someone who found out the hard way that there was a potential difference between the two, and who then wired in the switch as a joke.
 
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EmptyTimCup

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OS and JEDGAR

This story says a lot about the ITS ethos.

On the ITS system there was a program that allowed you to see what was being printed on someone else's terminal. It spied on the other guy's output by examining the insides of the monitor system. The output spy program was called OS. Throughout the rest of the computer science world (and at IBM too) OS means ‘operating system’, but among old-time ITS hackers it almost always meant ‘output spy’.

OS could work because ITS purposely had very little in the way of ‘protection’ that prevented one user from trespassing on another's areas. Fair is fair, however. There was another program that would automatically notify you if anyone started to spy on your output. It worked in exactly the same way, by looking at the insides of the operating system to see if anyone else was looking at the insides that had to do with your output. This ‘counterspy’ program was called JEDGAR (a six-letterism pronounced as two syllables: /jed´gr/), in honor of the former head of the FBI.

But there's more. JEDGAR would ask the user for ‘license to kill’. If the user said yes, then JEDGAR would actually gun the job of the luser who was spying. Unfortunately, people found that this made life too violent, especially when tourists learned about it. One of the systems hackers solved the problem by replacing JEDGAR with another program that only pretended to do its job. It took a long time to do this, because every copy of JEDGAR had to be patched. To this day no one knows how many people never figured out that JEDGAR had been defanged.

Interestingly, there is still a security module named JEDGAR alive as of late 1999 — in the Unisys MCP for large systems. It is unknown to us whether the name is tribute or independent invention.
 

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group chat functionality in cooperation with Skype.

That's the 'something awesome' that Mr. Zuckerburg made reference to last week and what Facebook just announced. I'll post a link when I see one.

This strikes me as a pretty big development and may help solidify Facebook's place as one of the Big 5 tech companies going forward (along with Apple, Google, Amazon, and Microsoft).



EDIT: Facebook to Offer Video Chat In Partnership With Skype

Sounds pretty cool to me. As a side "benefit", we'll be able to see who hasn't been updating their profile pictures through the years. :lol: Which also means they'll be able to see I haven't been updating mine. :frown:
 

StrawberryGal

Sweet and Innocent
Sounds pretty cool to me. As a side "benefit", we'll be able to see who hasn't been updating their profile pictures through the years. :lol: Which also means they'll be able to see I haven't been updating mine. :frown:

I'm not sure if I like the idea of facebook chat video. Pro is that deaf people will be able to communicate in sign language a lot easier. Trying to read their posts on facebook are hard to figure out because it wasn't written in English, and they write like they're using American Sign Language. Con is not everyone have built in webcam on their computer, own a computer, or have an internet service at home.
 

DEEKAYPEE8569

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I'm not sure if I like the idea of facebook chat video. Pro is that deaf people will be able to communicate in sign language a lot easier. Trying to read their posts on facebook are hard to figure out because it wasn't written in English, and they write like they're using American Sign Language. Con is not everyone have built in webcam on their computer, own a computer, or have an internet service at home.

Strawberry, I don't mean to pick nits, but there are inexpensive webcams available; OR, if you have the wherewithall to invest in a digital video cam, they can be used for video chats.

If you don't own a computer, or have internet service at home; then why and/or how would you be on Facebook?

Also, one thing I learned about having worked and communicated with a deaf person via e-mail is; deaf people actually think differently when they speak in written form because of how their thought process lets them sign.

MY problem with my explanation is, I know what I want to say, but I can't put it into words. It's a transferrence issue; much like with deaf folks.
Not a criticism on my part; but an observation/interpretation.
 

StrawberryGal

Sweet and Innocent
Strawberry, I don't mean to pick nits, but there are inexpensive webcams available; OR, if you have the wherewithall to invest in a digital video cam, they can be used for video chats.

If you don't own a computer, or have internet service at home; then why and/or how would you be on Facebook?

Also, one thing I learned about having worked and communicated with a deaf person via e-mail is; deaf people actually think differently when they speak in written form because of how their thought process lets them sign.

MY problem with my explanation is, I know what I want to say, but I can't put it into words. It's a transferrence issue; much like with deaf folks.
Not a criticism on my part; but an observation/interpretation.

I have webcam that came with my laptop. I have internet cable service at home. Also, I can get on facebook on my cell phone. :yay:

I was talking about most deaf people I know could not afford a laptop, desktop computer, or an internet service. They go to library to get on computer or through their smart cell phone such as droids or iPhone.

I'm deaf, so I know how they think differently and write because I'm one of those people. At least, most people can understand my written and spoken grammar.

I know what you mean. I do find myself struggling to put it into words because I'm not sure how to do it, so I did as best as I can. And yet people still criticism my grammar and give me hard time about it. I never had a hearing, so that's a biggest struggles I face everyday. I find it a lot easier to use sign language because I can put emotions and facial expressions correctly and doesn't have communication problem to get what I am trying to say out like I have to do with hearing people. With hearing people, I have to watch what I say because things do comes out wrong and people gets mad at me or something similar like that. It's hard to think on how to get what I need to say out without someone attacking me when I never had a hearing to remember how it sounded.

About the facebook video chat is a good technology for the deaf because it will help them communicate better. I admit that I do have hard time figure out what my deaf friends are trying to say when they write on their facebook walls. When meeting them in person or get on video call, and we start using sign language, and it is like "Ah ha moment that I now understand".
 
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