Faith versus doctrine

Tonio

Tonio

Asperger's Poster Child
As I see it, whether or not humans came from direct creation or evolution is irrelevant to faith. Humans are still special because we are the only creature on earth capable of moral and ethical choice. In the case of Christianity, why couldn't devout Christians read Genesis as metaphor and inspiration instead of literal fact?

There are so many variations of Christian doctrine that I find it very bewildering. For example, the Amish interpret "no graven images" to include no mirrors, no portraits, and buggies painted in flat gray so they don't have reflections. Why would they be right and other Christians wrong, or why would they be wrong or other Christians right?


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/18/AR2006011801432.html

When the Dalai Lama was a child, studying the doctrines of Tibetan Buddhism, his teachers explained that the moon emits its own light. But one day they brought him a telescope. He looked at the moon under magnification and saw that its surface contained shadows. He had made a discovery: The moon's light comes from elsewhere. It must come from the sun. The doctrine was directly at odds with what he could perceive with his own senses and a scientific instrument. What to do? Simple: Change the doctrine.
"I always sided with modern science," he said. "I don't know what is the reaction of some of our older scholars."

His new book, The Universe in a Single Atom, states that the scientific method by itself has never truly explained certain features of human spirituality, such as compassion. He makes a distinction between the core values of a religion, which can't change, and the doctrines that are mutable, like the bit about the moon. But he clearly sees no problem being fully spiritual and fully scientific.He believes in freedom, which includes the freedom to use one's brain.
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Hessian

Hessian

Well-Known Member
"Humans are still special because we are the only creature on earth capable of moral and ethical choice." Tonio.

Evolutionists (purists) will have to disagree with you on this point. Morals & ethics cannot be found in the human genome, they are a social construct and are thus totally relative.
There are no ethics in the animal kindom...and we are the highest of the evolved mammals,..thus we should only be guided by the fundamentals of evolution: Survival of the fittest.
Kill the elderly
Kill the disabled
Kill/enslave those that oppose us
Dominate all of nature to meet our needs.
Mate randomly and by force if we want to.

There: Godless evolution in its purist form. Like this option?

What options do we have if we believe in Deism or Agnosticism?
 
Tonio

Tonio

Asperger's Poster Child
I don't get any of that from evolution or evolutionists. I think that is how some members of religions choose to interpret evolution. Instead, I see evolution as about simple biological mechanics, just as the heliocentric model of the solar system is about simple celestial mechanics. Neither one threatens spirituality or the core values of any religion. As I see it, science is about the "how" of existence while religion is about the "why" of exisence.
 
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JPC, Sr.

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Tonio said:
I don't get any of that from evolution or evolutionists. I think that is how some members of religions choose to interpret evolution. Instead, I see evolution as about simple biological mechanics, just as the heliocentric model of the solar system is about simple celestial mechanics. Neither one threatens spirituality or the core values of any religion. As I see it, science is about the "how" of existence while religion is about the "why" of exisence.
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:popcorn: I found that Dawin's book only says that species evolve and that is perfectly true. Like the cat species has lions, leopards, tigers, alley cats, cougers, so all species of cat came evolved from the cat family. But even Darwin in his book "The Origin of Species" said that he did not believe that one species could evolve into another species, as in a cat would never evolve into a dog, nor a fish into a mammal. So on Noah's Ark all Noah had to carry was two cats and two of each species and then they evolved into the differences today. For people being black or white or brown or oriental are different species of human, close relatives for sure.

:elaine: In the beginning God created the Heavens and the earth, well He surely could have done it with a big bang and really the big bang says that for some reason all at once everything was created. The science and God agree at this point.

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SAHRAB

SAHRAB

This is fun right?
JPC said:
:popcorn: I found that Dawin's book only says that species evolve and that is perfectly true. Like the cat species has lions, leopards, tigers, alley cats, cougers, so all species of cat came evolved from the cat family. But even Darwin in his book "The Origin of Species" said that he did not believe that one species could evolve into another species, as in a cat would never evolve into a dog, nor a fish into a mammal. So on Noah's Ark all Noah had to carry was two cats and two of each species and then they evolved into the differences today. For people being black or white or brown or oriental are different species of human, close relatives for sure.

:elaine: In the beginning God created the Heavens and the earth, well He surely could have done it with a big bang and really the big bang says that for some reason all at once everything was created. The science and God agree at this point.

:yay: ---------------------------- :howdy:
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Shaddup and answer 2A's question, how will you Hold office when Maryland Constitution States :

Article III, Section 12, No Collector, Receiver, or Holder of public money shall be eligible as Senator or Delegate, or to any office of profit, or trust, under this State, until he shall have accounted for, and paid into the Treasury all sums on the books thereof, charged to, and due by him.
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Since you admit to being a DEADBEAT who lives off the back of Maryland Tax Payers you are not able to hold Office
 
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