Fascinating

[ylexot]

Ron Paul is right. We should keep our noise out of other peoples business. Trade with them on an equal basis, but stay out of their politics.

I disagree. With great power comes great responsibility. Like it or not, the US is the most powerful nation in the world and that mantle comes with a burden of responsibility. I think sticking your head in the sand is an extremely bad policy. It's probably the only thing that I don't like about Ron Paul, but it's bad enough that I will not vote for him.

 

[2ndAmendment]

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Let me ask you this though, do you think people heard Paul explain why 911 happened or do you think people heard Paul blame America for 911? Regardless of what you believe Paul’s real point was, all that really matters is what the listeners took away from it. Has nothing to do with education; it has everything to do with a person’s ability to properly articulation their point the context of the issue. With such an inflamed issue as this (this war) people are edgy on this and tired of hearing folks (either directly or indirectly) blame America for 911.
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I think many heard what he said and liked it, or he would not have won the poll. The party faithful, the Rudycans, the McCaincans, the Romneycans, did not hear the party line, so they jumped on Ron Paul with both feet.

 

[2ndAmendment]

...Ron Paul say the word 'reason'. Rudy and you and Vrail and, apparently everyone else but me and a handful of other non English understanding folks heard him say 'invited'.

Now, since Rudy made such a big deal out of a FACT, it is a big deal. It was not an issue when Paul said 'reasons'. It is a BIG DEAL because Rudy says 'reasons' means 'invited'.

So, now, over and over and over, we can all enjoy the spectacle of the GOP fighting over the meaning of words, all while we do agree on one thing, apparently, it doesn't matter at all what the leftists hear; they're not gonna hear anything other than what they want.

So, I and those of my ilk can just accept the new definition of the word 'reason' and shut up about it lest we disturb the populace because we all KNOW what would have happened anyway had we been more non interventionist and we don't want the voters thinking about such big things. It might give them the vapors.

Reminds me of someone else musing about the meaning of the word "is."

 

[2ndAmendment]

Arrrgggg……. You aren’t paying attention Larry. I’ll go slower.

It doesn't matter what you heard. It matters what will be used for propaganda purposes. I am not worried about what you and I interpret here. We hear REASON. The anti-war, blame-America crowd as well as our enemy, hear “invite”. Paul has inadvertently fed their cause. We can sit in this forum and analyze it, after-the-fact, pretty easily, but the drive-by media and anti-war propagandists wont. That is my worry.

So Rudy and McCain and Romney and the Republican Party faithful are now amongst the anti-war, blame-America crowd as well as our enemy, because they all heard "invite."

 

[PsyOps]

I think many heard what he said and liked it, or he would not have won the poll. The party faithful, the Rudycans, the McCaincans, the Romneycans, did not hear the party line, so they jumped on Ron Paul with both feet.

I hope you're right. This poll has no meaning in the long-term. We'll see if it sticks.

 

[Larry Gude]

I know!

So how is it that Paul could make a statement that means this and all those knucleheads out there will interpret it differently than you and I? How could that possibly be?

...because you and Rudy were seperated at birth and you, like him, KNOW what people REALLY mean when they say something! And, thusly, you and Rudy KNOW how people interpret those REAL meanings down the line.

Am I Close?

 

[2ndAmendment]

It's not forbidden under the Constitution, either.

We're sorry. How much did you bet?

People talk about the rights, powers, and prohibitions in the Constitution and they don't really know.

U.S. Constitution, Section 8

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

The army is limited to two years at a time. No standing army.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I am quite the conservative but never thought of Rudy as an abomination.

But... Rudy and Hillary in the finals. Who do you vote for?

Neither. I'll vote Constitution Party or some other third party. I will not vote for the lessor of two evils again.

 

[Larry Gude]

Let's see...

It disappoints me when you delve off into hyperbole.

Nobody said Ron Paul said we "deserved" to be attacked.

Post #29; you said...

But the context in which he said it strongly insinuated that he feels the US brought 9-11 on themselves, which is how OBL rationalized it, and apparently Ron Paul agrees with him.

And post 43 you said...

So, he did in effect say we brought 9-11 on ourselves,

And Phsy in post 55...

Yours and Paul’s take on this implies (regardly of whether you mean it this way or not) that we had it coming to us.

Post 70...

Hannity was on the radio Friday railing against Ron Paul, any time a listener would call in to discuss what he was saying, Hannity would say "Ron Paul says its America's fault we were attacked".

And others. Now, seeings how I apparently don't know the difference between 'reason' and 'invite' perhaps yuo'll forgive me for perhaps misreading y'all quotes?

I mean, you say no one is saying Paul said 'we deserved' it, but, if all he said was 'reasons' and did not mean 'deserved' what are you upset about? Rudy sure as hell argued that was what Paul said.

 

[Larry Gude]

And what does...

It disappoints me when you delve off into hyperbole.

Nobody said Ron Paul said we "deserved" to be attacked.

...thsi mean;

He definitely gave the impression that he thought the US brought 9-11 on ourselves because of OBL's various complaints (that he reiterated and appeared to agree with).

Brought on ourselves? Deserved?

 

[Larry Gude]

That's not possible...

Well, gee Larry, perhaps you better explain it this lemming.

...because I think 'reason' and 'invite' are two different words. How can I explain this if we speak a different language?

 

[PsyOps]

So Rudy and McCain and Romney and the Republican Party faithful are now amongst the anti-war, blame-America crowd as well as our enemy, because they all heard "invite."

That’s ridiculous! You extract that from their reply to Paul’s statement? You’re just playing politics with this. You’d throw them in the same category as Rosie, Murtha, Obama, etc…?

 

[Larry Gude]

And the Middle East...

I disagree. With great power comes great responsibility. Like it or not, the US is the most powerful nation in the world and that mantle comes with a burden of responsibility. I think sticking your head in the sand is an extremely bad policy. It's probably the only thing that I don't like about Ron Paul, but it's bad enough that I will not vote for him.

...we have today is the result of good policies?

 

[Larry Gude]

I'll just bet...

I am quite the conservative but never thought of Rudy as an abomination.

...when we read the word 'conservative' we come up with two different meanings.

 

[2ndAmendment]

That’s ridiculous! You extract that from their reply to Paul’s statement? You’re just playing politics with this. You’d throw them in the same category as Rosie, Murtha, Obama, etc…?

You are the one that posted it. I just echoed your opinion.

 

[PsyOps]

...because you and Rudy were seperated at birth and you, like him, KNOW what people REALLY mean when they say something! And, thusly, you and Rudy KNOW how people interpret those REAL meanings down the line.

Am I Close?

First of all No. Rudy is WAYYYYY older than me. Second, I am only going to say this to you one more time (since you apparently keep missing it), I agree with your take on what Paul said. I am only concerned with how it will be misused by the left. It was easy enough for the left to convince Americans that Bush is a liar, how hard could it possibly be to use Paul's statement to convince Americans that NOW the GOP believes the 911 attack was America's fault?

As much as I would like Americans to be as discerning and astute as you, hey are easily swayed by a media with an agenda. As I said, this last election proved that.

 

[2ndAmendment]

...when we read the word 'conservative' we come up with two different meanings.

I think conservative and think someone who thinks the U.S. should be governed according to the dictates of the founding document or that the document should be properly amended.

Many think conservative means Republican and that is just not true. Rudy, John, Mit are prime examples of non-conservative Republicans.

 

[Larry Gude]

What a radical...

I think conservative and think someone who thinks the U.S. should be governed according to the dictates of the founding document or that the document should be properly amended.
Many think conservative means Republican and that is just not true. Rudy, John, Mit are prime examples of non-conservative Republicans.

...quaint, hopelessly outdated and silly way to look at things. As intended? Get out of here.

 

[Larry Gude]

It is now my mission in life...

Second, I am only going to say this to you one more time (since you apparently keep missing it),

...to get you to say it just one more time.

 

[ylexot]

Where did...

...we have today is the result of good policies?

...I say that?