Fatal motorcycle accident last night

[glhs837]

http://smnewsnet.com/archives/402413/fatal-motorcycle-accident-in-hollywood-under-investigation/


Here's the scene,

https://www.google.com/maps/place/C...m2!3m1!1s0x89b7652f77c8b77d:0x59faa1bc79d82f3

Article says the Altima was in the median waiting to go north, and still partially in the southbound lane. So, either a crappy drive because he stacked up in the median behind another driver waiting to turn north, or simply failed to pull far enough into the median. That median is plenty large enough to contain an Altima. I see folks hanging out of those medians all the time, nose or tail, and it ticks me off. And I rage when I see people stacking up two deep in them. I've even seen three deep, two side by side and some jackass sitting behind them.

 

[DEEKAYPEE8569]

http://smnewsnet.com/archives/402413/fatal-motorcycle-accident-in-hollywood-under-investigation/


Here's the scene,

https://www.google.com/maps/place/C...m2!3m1!1s0x89b7652f77c8b77d:0x59faa1bc79d82f3

Article says the Altima was in the median waiting to go north, and still partially in the southbound lane. So, either a crappy drive because he stacked up in the median behind another driver waiting to turn north, or simply failed to pull far enough into the median. That median is plenty large enough to contain an Altima. I see folks hanging out of those medians all the time, nose or tail, and it ticks me off. And I rage when I see people stacking up two deep in them. I've even seen three deep, two side by side and some jackass sitting behind them.

Another traffic light for folks to run, coming soon?

 

[tommyjo]

http://smnewsnet.com/archives/402413/fatal-motorcycle-accident-in-hollywood-under-investigation/


Here's the scene,

https://www.google.com/maps/place/C...m2!3m1!1s0x89b7652f77c8b77d:0x59faa1bc79d82f3

Article says the Altima was in the median waiting to go north, and still partially in the southbound lane. So, either a crappy drive because he stacked up in the median behind another driver waiting to turn north, or simply failed to pull far enough into the median. That median is plenty large enough to contain an Altima. I see folks hanging out of those medians all the time, nose or tail, and it ticks me off. And I rage when I see people stacking up two deep in them. I've even seen three deep, two side by side and some jackass sitting behind them.

Interesting rant...given you don't have many facts to go on, you already lay complete blame on the Nissan driver?

Why didn't the motorcyclist simply avoid the Nissan as it was only "partially blocking" the lane...not fully blocking. The guy was on a motorcycle...he was driving a big rig. Did the Nissan pull out in front of the motorcycle and he had no time to react or was the car stationary and the motorcyclist simply was driving at too high a rate of speed (already noted as a contributing factor).

You "rage" against idiot drivers, yet want to employ absolutely no technology to fine those who you rage against?

Interesting rant.

 

[glhs837]

Not at all, the rider shares culpability, but he is not the cause. But the prime cause is the Altima driver not pulling fully into the median, according to the report. Barring that act, this crash doesn't happen. Please show me the technology that catches and fines people who do what the Altima driver did? That tech exists, it's called a police officer. Not sure what connection you make between red light cameras and some jackwad who cant be bothered to make sure his vehicle isn't in the travel lane. You don't need a light here, you need to punish the driver who obstructed the roadway.

 

[dave1959]

http://smnewsnet.com/archives/402413/fatal-motorcycle-accident-in-hollywood-under-investigation/


Here's the scene,

https://www.google.com/maps/place/C...m2!3m1!1s0x89b7652f77c8b77d:0x59faa1bc79d82f3

Article says the Altima was in the median waiting to go north, and still partially in the southbound lane. So, either a crappy drive because he stacked up in the median behind another driver waiting to turn north, or simply failed to pull far enough into the median. That median is plenty large enough to contain an Altima. I see folks hanging out of those medians all the time, nose or tail, and it ticks me off. And I rage when I see people stacking up two deep in them. I've even seen three deep, two side by side and some jackass sitting behind them.

I agree 100%, this is a problem when driving a car also, probably more so because you have less room in the lane to move over. That being said it also says the motorcycle may have been partially at fault...

"At this time, the motorcycle’s speed is believed to be a contributing factor."

 

[dave1959]

Interesting rant...given you don't have many facts to go on, you already lay complete blame on the Nissan driver?

Why didn't the motorcyclist simply avoid the Nissan as it was only "partially blocking" the lane...not fully blocking. The guy was on a motorcycle...he was driving a big rig. Did the Nissan pull out in front of the motorcycle and he had no time to react or was the car stationary and the motorcyclist simply was driving at too high a rate of speed (already noted as a contributing factor).

You "rage" against idiot drivers, yet want to employ absolutely no technology to fine those who you rage against?

Interesting rant.

The article does state....".The vehicle was stationary"

 

[glhs837]

I agree 100%, this is a problem when driving a car also, probably more so because you have less room in the lane to move over. That being said it also says the motorcycle may have been partially at fault...

"At this time, the motorcycle’s speed is believed to be a contributing factor."

Which sort of begs the question as to how they judged the motorcycles speed. Harley folks traditionally not being known as knee draggers. Could be as simple as the assumption "If he wasn't speeding, he could have avoided the cars". No way to know. Could be the biker didn't even recognize the lights as belonging to a car sitting there.

 

[kwillia]

Could be the biker didn't even recognize the lights as belonging to a car sitting there.

Hey now... please tell me you are simply stating this but not intending to use it as an excuse.

 

[glhs837]

Reason, perhaps, not excuse. LOSA is a thing that happens. Misunderstanding what those red lights are doing in front of you is your fault. The fact that they are in a place you don't' expect to see them, that's the fault of whomever caused them to be in place they should not. Like the people who pull over onto the shoulder breakdown lane facing traffic so they don't have to get out of their car to get their mail, they are the ones who are breaking the pattern.

 

[dave1959]

Which sort of begs the question as to how they judged the motorcycles speed. Harley folks traditionally not being known as knee draggers. Could be as simple as the assumption "If he wasn't speeding, he could have avoided the cars". No way to know. Could be the biker didn't even recognize the lights as belonging to a car sitting there.

You are right, still a a lot of unanswered questions. A perfect storm of factors that any one being different and the biker lives..

 

[kwillia]

Reason, perhaps, not excuse. LOSA is a thing that happens. Misunderstanding what those red lights are doing in front of you is your fault. The fact that they are in a place you don't' expect to see them, that's the fault of whomever caused them to be in place they should not. Like the people who pull over onto the shoulder breakdown lane facing traffic so they don't have to get out of their car to get their mail, they are the ones who are breaking the pattern.

Gotcha... agreed.

 

[Restitution]

Several people have died at or near that intersection in the last few years. It is not bad driving. That intersection is very, very poorly designed as are most of the medians around here.

 

[glhs837]

Several people have died at or near that intersection in the last few years. It is not bad driving. That intersection is very, very poorly designed as are most of the medians around here.

Design isn't optimum, but design doesn't make you leave your azz end out in the travel lane, that indeed is bad driving. Nor does it make you comes through at 100, fail the corner and plow into a parking lot. Where it sucks is in the visibility, which could lead, if you don't drive well, to pull out in front of someone. But that's not what happened here. Or in the case of that idiot who entered the parking lot.

 

[RoseRed]

Design isn't optimum, but design doesn't make you leave your azz end out in the travel lane, that indeed is bad driving. Nor does it make you comes through at 100, fail the corner and plow into a parking lot. Where it sucks is in the visibility, which could lead, if you don't drive well, to pull out in front of someone. But that's not what happened here. Or in the case of that idiot who entered the parking lot.

Years ago a child was killed in the parking lot in front of the liquor store.

 

[glhs837]

Not sure if that's the crash I'm thinking of. The one I'm talking about, I think the guy had been spotted travelling at a high rate of speed back up the road a ways, then tried to take the corner southbound at like 100 or so, got out of control and entered the parking lot and destroyed the brick sign.

 

[Grumpy]

Almost was involved with a bike coming off of Suitland Parkway to Rte 4 on Saturday, was making the right on the ramp and a biker came out of nowhere at high speed and passed me on the left, between me and the curb. No clue as to how he didn't spin out in the gravel/crap in the area by the curb.

 

[Restitution]

Design isn't optimum, but design doesn't make you leave your azz end out in the travel lane, that indeed is bad driving.

I travel that intersection multiple times a week. If you leave your azz end in the travel lane (not the left turn lane exiting traffic to go into the median) then you practically need to have your entire vehicle outside the actual median. If I were to guess, this person in the Nissan was trying to double-up in the median.

 

[glhs837]

I travel that intersection multiple times a week. If you leave your azz end in the travel lane (not the left turn lane exiting traffic to go into the median) then you practically need to have your entire vehicle outside the actual median. If I were to guess, this person in the Nissan was trying to double-up in the median.

Agreed. And that's not bad design, that's bad driving.

 

[SoMDGirl42]

Years ago a child was killed in the parking lot in front of the liquor store.

I was on that call. It was horrible.

 

[RoseRed]

I was on that call. It was horrible.

I'm sure it was. I just didn't go into detail.